I bet with practice and using Chinese scoring, you could very rapidly
calculate the score without touching the board.     

In fact, if I were trying to become a dan level players I would think
that in Chinese I would want to be able to quickly "sum" the board like
this.   In real close games I would want to know that winning some small
group would either do the job, or not do the job and I should
concentrate elsewhere.   

But I am told that good players don't think like that,  they just grab
at everything.  

- Don



On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 10:06 -0700, David Fotland wrote:
> I was speaking of how people count, not computers.  Chinese players count by
> taking all the stones off the board and putting them in piles of ten.
> 
> I've done (and seen) point by point counting on a real board, and it is
> really hard to get a correct result.  You have to count at least twice to
> verify, and usually 3 or 4 times to get two counts that are the same.  So no
> one does it this way.
> 
> Clearly Chinese counting is easier for computers, but Japanese counting
> seems easier to most people.
> 
> David
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:computer-go-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Jasiek
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:56 AM
> > To: computer-go
> > Subject: Re: [computer-go] Re: Disputes under Japanese rules
> > 
> > David Fotland wrote:
> >  > Japanese rules' [...] the actual counting [...] The position is
> > preserved
> > 
> > Japanese counting destroys the position by
> > - removal of dead stones
> > - filling in of (most) prisoners
> > - rearrangements of stones
> > - rearrangements of borders
> > - border stone colour changes
> > 
> > After the removal of dead stones, these counting methods do NOT destroy
> > the position:
> > - point by point counting
> > - point by point half counting
> > - some algorithmic virtual counting like flood-filling
> > 
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