Raises hand. Chinese rules version for 9x9 and 13x13 would be quite helpful if 
that's what you are offering. Different komi would be fine.

- Dave Hillis


-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: computer-go <computer-go@computer-go.org>
Sent: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:33 pm
Subject: Re: [computer-go] semeai



>> Has anyone tried implementing the ideas in Richard Hunter's "Counting
>> Liberties"

No, but I did make a test suite that included many of the interesting
positions (it also included many others of my own creation, both for
semeai and tactical search). (And, though almost all the positions were
modified enough from those in the book to probably not be covered by
copyright, I did get Richard's permission to include them in the test
suite.)

All positions were modified to fit on a 9x9 board, and IIRC all were set
up so that the correct move(s) won the game, while all incorrect moves
lost the game. (However that'd be in Japanese rules; they'll need
modifying or a different komi for the same to be true in Chinese rules.)

If there is any interest I'll dust them off and release the test suite
properly.

(And would there be interest in the same kind of test suite for 13x13
and 19x19 boards?)

Robert Jasiek wrote:
> - He overlooks some details like exceptional cases and liberty counts
> for approach defects. (And he does not mention the trivial cases at all.)
> - It may be suitable to include all L&D types in the classification.
> - For non-trivial types, algorithms need to be developed in addition.
> - Semeais with kos are more complicated than semeais without kos by a
> factor roughly between 100 and 1000. Firstly the number of cases
> explodes (already when there is only one basic ko). Secondly [endgame
> value] evaluation becomes much more difficult. Thirdly and obviously
> there are also peculiar ko shapes.

Hi Robert, do you have anything published? Or (even better from my point
of view) do you have some example positions that demonstrate the
exceptional cases, with the correct answer shown?

Darren


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