On that topic - might it be possible that the notion of a "proper komi", derived as it is from "the hand of God" (perfect play), will invariably be too high for any actual go players which would be an interesting match for each other?

On Feb 11, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Andy wrote:

But the program isn't stronger than pros, so how can it give better information about proper komi?

On Feb 11, 2008 6:09 PM, Christoph Birk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008, Don Dailey wrote:
> I don't bet,  but if I did,  I would bet that it's 7 or 8, and I'm
> fairly certain that with best play the game would end with 7 extra
> points for black.
>
> I think this was discussed at great length 2 or 3 years ago.

I know ... I brought it up again because of Mogo's success.
A very (!) strong program should be able to tell us the proper
komi.

Christoph

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