But it does have real meaning. People talk about Dan level 9x9 go programs and so all I'm looking for is a way to instrument this in a meaningful way.
If a 9x9 program is estimated to be 2 dan on CGOS, it means a typical 1 dan player will lose to it and a typical 3 dan player will beat it. It's a matter of adjusting the constants to make sure this is so. We cannot use the kyu/dan system for handicap on 9x9, it doesn't work and that's understood - we are just trying to get a sense of how these 9x9 programs compare to humans. - Don steve uurtamo wrote: > not to put too fine a point on it, but "estimating dan ranks" via > 9x9 games is a bit silly. it doesn't actually capture any extra > information about the program, since there's no such thing as > a 9x9 rank to compare with/against, much less a dan rank. > > ELO works well because it's strictly arbitrary relative to the > anchor. human kyu/dan ranks are arbitrary as well, but there > are thousands of people feeding ELO (or something like it) in > and out of the system, and there's an easily measured "top end". > > i'm just saying, it will look a bit silly -- imagine if when chess > programs started to completely dominate something like 5x5 chess, > the strongest programs were labeled "master level play". > > well, sure, at 5x5 chess... > > there's a reason that KGS won't assign a rank to a player that > only plays 9x9 games. the rating system isn't really built for > a board that small, in the sense that handicaps are massively > nonlinear at that size. the main motivation for kyu/dan rankings > is to establish handicap stones, after all... > > s. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > _______________________________________________ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > > _______________________________________________ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
