If I combine some reactions so far I understand that
the main motivation to have 30min/game or longer time
controls is that that is more comparable to the pace of
humans, and that is is more easy for some new
programs (not MC based)
I can imagine that some humans will argue that blitz ratings
are not to be trusted, but I think that they can be. For MC
programs this only mean that they are about 1 or 2 stones
weaker (at 10 min. instead of 30 min) in relation to (already
fast) traditional programs.
The resulting difference against humans I do not know.
If someone builds a different engine, (not MC) I can image
that the time can be important, but only if the program needs
that kind of time control.
For MC programs one have to realise that the difference
between the best program and the average programs is
about 8 stones or more, (a very rough estimation of mine).
So the time control only accounts here for only about 2 stones,
which will not help the new programs to perform much better.
Those large differences could be corrected by introducing
handicap stones, but I realise that will not be easy to
combine with an elo rating scale.
This brings me to the beginning of the newly started CGOS 19x19:
I thought one of the first goals was to get an impression
between the strenght of MFGO and CrazyStone.
I do not see any discussions related to that, while it is very
interesting what is happening (or has happened already)
Crazystone was about 2000 elo, mfgo is about 1800.
The CrazyStone row has dissapeared because not enough
games were played, so there will be a larger standard
deviation around those values (I expect a 1 sigma value of
about 50 elo. It would be interesting to incluse those
numbers on every row (Don?))
What I think is happening is that Crazystone seems to be
about 7 stones (or more) stronger than MFGO at these time
controls, when CrazyStone will use 6 cores or so (which Remi
has used in the past).
How: Crazystone used about 3 minutes for each game, one
using 1 cpu, so it has handicapped himself (maybe Remi is
nice to David?).
When using almost the full 30 minutes it will be about 3 stones
or 300 elo stronger. Combined with 6 cores that will be another
2 or 3 stones or 250 elo.
So we are looking at Crazystone 2550 elo, MFGO 1800 elo
which roughly corresponds to 7 stones!
Just food for though, and my opinion and my rough estimates
which will be erratic (with a certain deviation:-)
Edward
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