I went through 2 North 3DL #1 genoas over 6 years. One good year, one average year and one lousy year for each sail. The plastic laminate was a poor product for sure.
I bought the North 3DI raw for my #1 & #3 plus mainsail and they are as new after 3 full race seasons. A bit more money but over the long term they last and perform. And the black sails look cool too :) On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 3:08 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > A great segue to my next question for the list: > > I had my last laminate sail (probably 3-5 in total after the past 15+ > years) fall apart after ~ 4-5 years of club use in NC (North 3Di) and have > decided that my next headsail (155%) will NOT be a laminate. I too have old > Dacron sails (90% and 140%) that have not been used much and look/feel like > new. > > My question is--I'd like some opinions from the listers on the material > and the sail maker. I am thinking of dacron and North (Nordac). > > I have had super life out of my Hood main (high denier dacron with > Vectran), used now for 10 years and still going. However, the headsail they > sold me was never cut correctly, even after I returned it to the loft--so I > won't go there, even if Hood still existed.(I think Quantum took over Hood > after Ted's passing). > > I am an active CLUB racer, occasionally doing CRW but very far from 'Grand > Prix' racing--but I do have a ORC measurement certificate! Most of my > racing is buoy in the NC sounds where the wind rarely gets above 15 knots > and the temperature rarely is below 70 degrees when racing. > > At the risk of getting as many suggestions as listers (maybe more!), what > do the listers think about non-laminate sail material, cuts, molded, etc. > Whatever I settle on will be measured by the sailmaker on the boat. > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> > Sent: Fri, Jan 29, 2021 11:13 am > Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question > > Dacron seems to last forever if it is clean dry and out of the sun. My #1 > is from around 1990 and looks like new. I've used it twice. PO might have > used it occasionally. > > Joel > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:04 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I really only have one furling full hoist sail, so it wasn’t that bad. My > genoas are deck sweepers and need the furling drum removed and the jib and > storm jib are not even close to full hoist. > Speaking of, the jib dates to 1973 and the storm jib to 1979. I don’t > think either one has been out of their bags in this century! > How long do sails last anyway? Maybe they’ll fall apart if used. I don’t > think the storm jib has more than 1,000 miles total use ever, but its old. > The old working jib got used plenty back in the day. The last time I had > that one up was around 1990 in about 50-60 knots running dead downwind. > That was a fun day 😊 > Joe > Coquina > > *From:* Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2021 10:53 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* cenel...@aol.com > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Furler question > > The perfect solution to the problem Joe! > > Depending on the difference between 'too high and too low', finding the > sweet spot could be a chore and would likely require different shackle > lengths at the deck level for different sails. > > A proper restrainer allows more 'slop' in the effective luff length > without chewing up the halyard/sheave and prevents the wrapping problem. > Perhaps not the perfect solution but a good one that works--keeping in mind > the adage to '...not let the perfect be the enemy of the good..!' > > YMMV > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom > > -----Original Message----- > From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> > Sent: Fri, Jan 29, 2021 8:35 am > Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question > What I discovered was the overall position of the halyard and top swivel > was critical. Assuming you have a full hoist sail and no retainer, you need > to adjust the shackle length at deck level to get the halyard as far up as > you can without running the nicropress into the sheave. Too high and it > chews up the halyard and sheave and/or you can’t get correct tension, too > low and it wraps. > Joe > Coquina > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > <https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=c07536b5-9fee0f7e-c0751fc2-0cc47adc5fec-809ea6cfc7417437&q=1&e=50f08f83-9314-4d89-be58-e2b081da78ba&u=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.paypal.me%252Fstumurray>Thanks > - Stu > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks > - Stu > > > > -- > Joel > > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - > Stu > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks > - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
