Is 99 mean 99 feet boat On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:17 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> I think Hull #1 had been modified to do that at some point. The regular > C&C 99 comes with symmetric 200% spinnaker and J+1 pole. A number have > since been modified to add a small fixed sprit which has total sprit length > no longer than Spinnaker pole length. The four racing here (Halifax) do > not use the sprit/asym a lot. > > > > The 99 is a very nice boat > > > > Mike Hoyt > Persistence > > Halifax > > > > *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> *On Behalf Of *David > Knecht via CnC-List > *Sent:* July 21, 2020 2:13 PM > *To:* CnC CnC discussion list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Cc:* David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sailing with a spin thru the lee of a bigger boat > > > > Hi Chuck- I looked at a C&C 99 when I was buying my boat and it had an > integral extending pole for an A sail. I presumed that was standard on the > 99, but the one in your video doesn’t have one. Did some have them or was > the one I looked at modified? Dave > > > > Dr. David Knecht > > Professor, Department of Molecular and Cell Biology > > University of Connecticut > > 91 N. Eagleville Rd > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/91+N.+Eagleville+Rd?entry=gmail&source=g> > . > > U-3125 > > Storrs, CT 06269-3125 > > > > > > > > On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:48 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Don, > > I wasn't there, but a crewman aboard the 99 told me the owner has a long > rivalry with the J-109 which was flying an assymetric on a sprit, also. He > told me the 99 is for sale because the owner bought a J-109 cause it's > faster upwind and points higher. I find the video quite exciting with so > many different boats so close together. The essence of racing. > > > > Chuck > > On 07/21/2020 12:27 PM Donald Kern via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > > > > > Chuck, > Good demonstration of what happens when you decide to sail a smaller boat > thru the lee of a bigger boat. Especially dead downwind with a A-chute and > the bigger has a symmetric chute. Unless the A-chute was in restricted > water or closing the mark they should have been maxing their VMG by tacking > downwind. > Brings back memories of those blue and gold chutes - use to skipper the > wood and first glass NA 44 yawls. Preferred the wood, they were faster; had > no engines, less weight and drag. Bristol YC and Herreshoff Marine Museum > sponsor the boat school's 44s each June for the last 5yrs (missed this year > of Offshore Training because of CORVID 19). > > Beat Army !! > > Don Kern > Fireball C&C35 Mk2 > Bristol, RI > > On 7/21/2020 10:55 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote: > > I focus on the sailing ability in selecting a boat. If you sail in a > steady high winds, go big. But if you are more like the rest of us and > have low wind predominantly, I would steer toward the smallest, lightest > model C&C that still has just enough interior to accommodate my family. > Smaller, lighter, hulls move first as the wind builds from a calm while > heavier boats struggle until the wind gets up over 10 knots. It takes much > less wind to move a 10,000# boat than a 20,000# one. Even less to move a > 5000# boat like a 27 footer which has standing headroom and can be > trailered home for the winter. They will all sail to hullspeed once the > wind reaches about 12 knots and then the longer waterline boat has a speed > advantage, but under 10 knots which is predominantly what we sail in, the > lighter boats win and are easier to singlehand and dock, etc. Check out > this video of a C&C 99, a 32 footer catching a J109 and two Navy 44 footers > in a race. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBKifuS60Go > > > > I also prefer the C&C 34/36 model as I own the racing version w vee berths > (removable for racing) and settee berths, pilot beths, a full width aft > berth and two pipe berths. We rate faster than the 40 and the bigger > sister, the 37/40 rates faster still, though I think the 34/36 was an > improvement over it. > > Check out the brochures on Stu's cncphotoalbum.com > > > > > > Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R Pasadena, Md > > > > > > On 07/21/2020 9:55 AM Nathan Post via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > > > Welcome Jeff, > > > > Something to keep in mind is that a 40 is almost twice as much boat > compared to a 34 or 35 (18000+ lbs rather than 10000 or so. Everything is > bigger, heavier and more expensive. And it can also get more complicated > to sail - does it have running backstays? I think that a 38 such as Ocean > Phoenix does have running backstays - not sure about the 40. My 34 does > not. Not a big deal for long passages, but we tend to go out to tool > around for an evening tacking and jibing a dozen times in the process or go > sail around the islands outside of Marblehead and Beverly and I would > prefer to sail rather than motor whenever possible if there is any wind > (which is why it is nice to have a light C&C that will move in light air). > Dockage, hauling and winter storage all scale with length too. If offshore > passages are your plan then the bigger boat is likely a better choice and > you want to pay attention to the stability numbers as well, and a C&C may > not be the right choice at all (although I am sure there are those on this > list who would differ). > > > > Any 30-40 ft keelboat boat in the under $20000 sale price range is going > to need a lot of TLC, fiberglass work, paint, rigging work, sails (likely > at some point) and replacements over the coming years. We have a 34 KCB and > it is a nice size for us and is easy for my wife and me to handle (we don't > have or fly a spin although I am looking to add an asymmetrical at some > point). If I was to do it again I might look for a 34+ or 34/36 which is a > little larger and has a newer style interior layout with a separate shower > from the head I believe. While that would have been more money up front, > but as I put 10+k into improvements plus lots of time each year it would > not have made a big difference in the long run. My boat budget ends up > around $20/year, about half of which is slip, hauling, winter storage and > insurance, and the other half is maintenance and upgrades. The first year > we had the sails cleaned and repaired for $600, had the prop rebuilt for > $500, new water heater, new head plumbing, new bilge pumps, new foam for > the cushions (which I restuffed myself, etc.), etc. etc.. Last year we got > new cruising sails for $6k and some new lines, new water pump, inflatable > life jackets, etc.. This year it was quite a bit more (I haven't kept > track) because we had the rod-rigging re-ended and needed a new furler and > I repaired soft spots in the deck, repainted and refit the entire deck and > included replacing winches with self tailers and added a custom bow roller > I designed and sent out to a machine shop along with a new anchor and > rode. I am glad she is only 34ft long rather than 40! Can you do it for a > bit less - yes likely - but it is also nice to be able to improve things > and make them better suit your needs and be prepared for the furler that > breaks and isn't repairable type expenses. Slip and such are probably a > bit less up in Maine than in the Boston area, but it all adds up. > > > > Actually from my experience, and what I have read/learned since, you are > much better off spending more money now to get a boat that the previous > owner put a lot into upgrading and fixing then a previously neglected boat > like I did. Like you we wanted to get into a 30+ ft cruising boat at the > low end of the price point (we paid $7500 for Wisper in 2018) and I do > enjoy working on it almost as much as sailing so there is that. Initially > this approach is tempting with lots of old neglected boats in the market, > but I wouldn’t likely do that again now that I am into "big boat" > ownership. I would likely still get a 40 year old boat again if/when it > comes time to upgrade, but I would look for one that someone else did a lot > of upgrading on recently and happily pay more for it (there will still be > plenty to do and change over the years). On the other hand, I am learning > a ton as I try things on this boat and learn what I like and don't like and > I am not sure if we would have bought a boat at all if I had proposed a > larger budget to my wife initially. And there is also satisfaction in > bringing a good boat back from the brink of the scrap yard. > > > > Anyway, that is my two cents. Good luck! > > > > Nathan > > - - > > Nathan Post > > S/V Wisper > > 1981 C&C 34 KCB > > Lynn MA > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. 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