Is 99 mean 99 feet boat

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:17 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
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> I think Hull #1 had been modified to do that at some point.  The regular
> C&C 99 comes with symmetric 200% spinnaker and J+1 pole.  A number have
> since been modified to add a small fixed sprit which has total sprit length
> no longer than Spinnaker pole length.  The four racing here (Halifax) do
> not use the sprit/asym a lot.
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> The 99 is a very nice boat
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> Mike Hoyt
> Persistence
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> *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> *On Behalf Of *David
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> *Cc:* David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sailing with a spin thru the lee of a bigger boat
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> Hi Chuck- I looked at a C&C 99 when I was buying my boat and it had an
> integral extending pole for an A sail.  I presumed that was standard on the
> 99, but the one in your video doesn’t have one.  Did some have them or was
> the one I looked at modified?  Dave
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> Dr. David Knecht
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> On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:48 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
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> Hi Don,
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> I wasn't there, but a crewman aboard the 99 told me the owner has a long
> rivalry with the J-109 which was flying an assymetric on a sprit, also.  He
> told me the 99 is for sale because the owner bought a J-109 cause it's
> faster upwind and points higher.   I find the video quite exciting with so
> many different boats so close together.  The essence of racing.
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> Chuck
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> On 07/21/2020 12:27 PM Donald Kern via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
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> Chuck,
> Good demonstration of what happens when you decide to sail a smaller boat
> thru the lee of a bigger boat.  Especially dead downwind with a A-chute and
> the bigger  has a symmetric chute.   Unless the A-chute was in restricted
> water or closing the mark they should have been maxing their VMG by tacking
> downwind.
> Brings back memories of those blue and gold chutes - use to skipper the
> wood and first glass NA 44 yawls. Preferred the wood, they were faster; had
> no engines, less weight and drag.  Bristol YC and Herreshoff Marine Museum
> sponsor the boat school's 44s each June for the last 5yrs (missed this year
> of Offshore Training because of CORVID 19).
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> Beat Army !!
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> Don Kern
> Fireball C&C35 Mk2
> Bristol, RI
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> On 7/21/2020 10:55 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote:
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> I focus on the sailing ability in selecting a boat.  If you sail in a
> steady high winds, go big.  But if you are more like the rest of us and
> have low wind predominantly, I would steer toward the smallest, lightest
> model C&C that still has just enough interior to accommodate my family.
> Smaller, lighter, hulls move first as the wind builds from a calm while
> heavier boats struggle until the wind gets up over 10 knots.  It takes much
> less wind to move a 10,000# boat than a 20,000# one.  Even less to move a
> 5000# boat like a 27 footer which has standing headroom and can be
> trailered home for the winter.  They will all sail to hullspeed once the
> wind reaches about 12 knots and then the longer waterline boat has a speed
> advantage, but under 10 knots which is predominantly what we sail in, the
> lighter boats win and are easier to singlehand and dock, etc.  Check out
> this video of a C&C 99, a 32 footer catching a J109 and two Navy 44 footers
> in a race.
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBKifuS60Go
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> I also prefer the C&C 34/36 model as I own the racing version w vee berths
> (removable for racing) and settee berths, pilot beths, a full width aft
> berth and two pipe berths.  We rate faster than the 40 and the bigger
> sister, the 37/40 rates faster still, though I think the 34/36 was an
> improvement over it.
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> Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R Pasadena, Md
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> On 07/21/2020 9:55 AM Nathan Post via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
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> Welcome Jeff,
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> Something to keep in mind is that a 40 is almost twice as much boat
> compared to a 34 or 35 (18000+ lbs rather than 10000 or so. Everything is
> bigger, heavier and more expensive.   And it can also get more complicated
> to sail - does it have running backstays?  I think that a 38 such as Ocean
> Phoenix does have running backstays - not sure about the 40.  My 34 does
> not.  Not a big deal for long passages, but we tend to go out to tool
> around for an evening tacking and jibing a dozen times in the process or go
> sail around the islands outside of Marblehead and Beverly and I would
> prefer to sail rather than motor whenever possible if there is any wind
> (which is why it is nice to have a light C&C that will move in light air).
> Dockage, hauling and winter storage all scale with length too.  If offshore
> passages are your plan then the bigger boat is likely a better choice and
> you want to pay attention to the stability numbers as well, and a C&C may
> not be the right choice at all (although I am sure there are those on this
> list who would differ).
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> Any 30-40 ft keelboat boat in the under $20000 sale price range is going
> to need a lot of TLC, fiberglass work, paint, rigging work, sails (likely
> at some point) and replacements over the coming years. We have a 34 KCB and
> it is a nice size for us and is easy for my wife and me to handle (we don't
> have or fly a spin although I am looking to add an asymmetrical at some
> point). If I was to do it again I might look for a 34+ or 34/36 which is a
> little larger and has a newer style interior layout with a separate shower
> from the head I believe.  While that would have been more money up front,
> but as I put 10+k into improvements plus lots of time each year it would
> not have made a big difference in the long run.  My boat budget ends up
> around $20/year, about half of which is slip, hauling, winter storage and
> insurance, and the other half is maintenance and upgrades.  The first year
> we had the sails cleaned and repaired for $600, had the prop rebuilt for
> $500, new water heater, new head plumbing, new bilge pumps, new foam for
> the cushions (which I restuffed myself, etc.), etc. etc..  Last year we got
> new cruising sails for $6k and some new lines, new water pump, inflatable
> life jackets, etc..  This year it was quite a bit more (I haven't kept
> track) because we had the rod-rigging re-ended and needed a new furler and
> I repaired soft spots in the deck, repainted and refit the entire deck and
> included replacing winches with self tailers and added a custom bow roller
> I designed and sent out to a machine shop along with a new anchor and
> rode.  I am glad she is only 34ft long rather than 40!  Can you do it for a
> bit less - yes likely - but it is also nice to be able to improve things
> and make them better suit your needs and be prepared for the furler that
> breaks and isn't repairable type expenses.  Slip and such are probably a
> bit less up in Maine than in the Boston area, but it all adds up.
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> Actually from my experience, and what I have read/learned since, you are
> much better off spending more money now to get a boat that the previous
> owner put a lot into upgrading and fixing then a previously neglected boat
> like I did.  Like you we wanted to get into a 30+ ft cruising boat at the
> low end of the price point (we paid $7500 for Wisper in 2018) and I do
> enjoy working on it almost as much as sailing so there is that.  Initially
> this approach is tempting with lots of old neglected boats in the market,
> but I wouldn’t likely do that again now that I am into "big boat"
> ownership.  I would likely still get a 40 year old boat again if/when it
> comes time to upgrade, but I would look for one that someone else did a lot
> of upgrading on recently and happily pay more for it (there will still be
> plenty to do and change over the years).  On the other hand, I am learning
> a ton as I try things on this boat and learn what I like and don't like and
> I am not sure if we would have bought a boat at all if I had proposed a
> larger budget to my wife initially.  And there is also satisfaction in
> bringing a good boat back from the brink of the scrap yard.
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> Anyway, that is my two cents.  Good luck!
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> Nathan
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> Nathan Post
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> S/V Wisper
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> 1981 C&C 34 KCB
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> Lynn MA
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