Hi Chuck- I looked at a C&C 99 when I was buying my boat and it had an integral extending pole for an A sail. I presumed that was standard on the 99, but the one in your video doesn’t have one. Did some have them or was the one I looked at modified? Dave
Dr. David Knecht Professor, Department of Molecular and Cell Biology University of Connecticut 91 N. Eagleville Rd. U-3125 Storrs, CT 06269-3125 > On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:48 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Hi Don, > I wasn't there, but a crewman aboard the 99 told me the owner has a long > rivalry with the J-109 which was flying an assymetric on a sprit, also. He > told me the 99 is for sale because the owner bought a J-109 cause it's faster > upwind and points higher. I find the video quite exciting with so many > different boats so close together. The essence of racing. > > Chuck >> On 07/21/2020 12:27 PM Donald Kern via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> Chuck, >> Good demonstration of what happens when you decide to sail a smaller boat >> thru the lee of a bigger boat. Especially dead downwind with a A-chute and >> the bigger has a symmetric chute. Unless the A-chute was in restricted >> water or closing the mark they should have been maxing their VMG by tacking >> downwind. >> Brings back memories of those blue and gold chutes - use to skipper the wood >> and first glass NA 44 yawls. Preferred the wood, they were faster; had no >> engines, less weight and drag. Bristol YC and Herreshoff Marine Museum >> sponsor the boat school's 44s each June for the last 5yrs (missed this year >> of Offshore Training because of CORVID 19). >> >> Beat Army !! >> >> Don Kern >> Fireball C&C35 Mk2 >> Bristol, RI >> >> On 7/21/2020 10:55 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote: >>> I focus on the sailing ability in selecting a boat. If you sail in a >>> steady high winds, go big. But if you are more like the rest of us and >>> have low wind predominantly, I would steer toward the smallest, lightest >>> model C&C that still has just enough interior to accommodate my family. >>> Smaller, lighter, hulls move first as the wind builds from a calm while >>> heavier boats struggle until the wind gets up over 10 knots. It takes much >>> less wind to move a 10,000# boat than a 20,000# one. Even less to move a >>> 5000# boat like a 27 footer which has standing headroom and can be >>> trailered home for the winter. They will all sail to hullspeed once the >>> wind reaches about 12 knots and then the longer waterline boat has a speed >>> advantage, but under 10 knots which is predominantly what we sail in, the >>> lighter boats win and are easier to singlehand and dock, etc. Check out >>> this video of a C&C 99, a 32 footer catching a J109 and two Navy 44 footers >>> in a race. >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBKifuS60Go >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBKifuS60Go> >>> >>> I also prefer the C&C 34/36 model as I own the racing version w vee berths >>> (removable for racing) and settee berths, pilot beths, a full width aft >>> berth and two pipe berths. We rate faster than the 40 and the bigger >>> sister, the 37/40 rates faster still, though I think the 34/36 was an >>> improvement over it. >>> Check out the brochures on Stu's cncphotoalbum.com >>> >>> >>> Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R Pasadena, Md >>> >>> >>>> On 07/21/2020 9:55 AM Nathan Post via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Welcome Jeff, >>>> >>>> Something to keep in mind is that a 40 is almost twice as much boat >>>> compared to a 34 or 35 (18000+ lbs rather than 10000 or so. Everything is >>>> bigger, heavier and more expensive. And it can also get more complicated >>>> to sail - does it have running backstays? I think that a 38 such as Ocean >>>> Phoenix does have running backstays - not sure about the 40. My 34 does >>>> not. Not a big deal for long passages, but we tend to go out to tool >>>> around for an evening tacking and jibing a dozen times in the process or >>>> go sail around the islands outside of Marblehead and Beverly and I would >>>> prefer to sail rather than motor whenever possible if there is any wind >>>> (which is why it is nice to have a light C&C that will move in light air). >>>> Dockage, hauling and winter storage all scale with length too. If >>>> offshore passages are your plan then the bigger boat is likely a better >>>> choice and you want to pay attention to the stability numbers as well, and >>>> a C&C may not be the right choice at all (although I am sure there are >>>> those on this list who would differ). >>>> >>>> Any 30-40 ft keelboat boat in the under $20000 sale price range is going >>>> to need a lot of TLC, fiberglass work, paint, rigging work, sails (likely >>>> at some point) and replacements over the coming years. We have a 34 KCB >>>> and it is a nice size for us and is easy for my wife and me to handle (we >>>> don't have or fly a spin although I am looking to add an asymmetrical at >>>> some point). If I was to do it again I might look for a 34+ or 34/36 which >>>> is a little larger and has a newer style interior layout with a separate >>>> shower from the head I believe. While that would have been more money up >>>> front, but as I put 10+k into improvements plus lots of time each year it >>>> would not have made a big difference in the long run. My boat budget ends >>>> up around $20/year, about half of which is slip, hauling, winter storage >>>> and insurance, and the other half is maintenance and upgrades. The first >>>> year we had the sails cleaned and repaired for $600, had the prop rebuilt >>>> for $500, new water heater, new head plumbing, new bilge pumps, new foam >>>> for the cushions (which I restuffed myself, etc.), etc. etc.. Last year >>>> we got new cruising sails for $6k and some new lines, new water pump, >>>> inflatable life jackets, etc.. This year it was quite a bit more (I >>>> haven't kept track) because we had the rod-rigging re-ended and needed a >>>> new furler and I repaired soft spots in the deck, repainted and refit the >>>> entire deck and included replacing winches with self tailers and added a >>>> custom bow roller I designed and sent out to a machine shop along with a >>>> new anchor and rode. I am glad she is only 34ft long rather than 40! Can >>>> you do it for a bit less - yes likely - but it is also nice to be able to >>>> improve things and make them better suit your needs and be prepared for >>>> the furler that breaks and isn't repairable type expenses. Slip and such >>>> are probably a bit less up in Maine than in the Boston area, but it all >>>> adds up. >>>> >>>> Actually from my experience, and what I have read/learned since, you are >>>> much better off spending more money now to get a boat that the previous >>>> owner put a lot into upgrading and fixing then a previously neglected boat >>>> like I did. Like you we wanted to get into a 30+ ft cruising boat at the >>>> low end of the price point (we paid $7500 for Wisper in 2018) and I do >>>> enjoy working on it almost as much as sailing so there is that. Initially >>>> this approach is tempting with lots of old neglected boats in the market, >>>> but I wouldn’t likely do that again now that I am into "big boat" >>>> ownership. I would likely still get a 40 year old boat again if/when it >>>> comes time to upgrade, but I would look for one that someone else did a >>>> lot of upgrading on recently and happily pay more for it (there will still >>>> be plenty to do and change over the years). On the other hand, I am >>>> learning a ton as I try things on this boat and learn what I like and >>>> don't like and I am not sure if we would have bought a boat at all if I >>>> had proposed a larger budget to my wife initially. And there is also >>>> satisfaction in bringing a good boat back from the brink of the scrap yard. >>>> >>>> Anyway, that is my two cents. Good luck! >>>> >>>> Nathan >>>> - - >>>> Nathan Post >>>> S/V Wisper >>>> 1981 C&C 34 KCB >>>> Lynn MA >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >>>> every one is greatly appreciated. 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