Hi Chuck- I looked at a C&C 99 when I was buying my boat and it had an integral 
extending pole for an A sail.  I presumed that was standard on the 99, but the 
one in your video doesn’t have one.  Did some have them or was the one I looked 
at modified?  Dave

Dr. David Knecht
Professor, Department of Molecular and Cell Biology 
University of Connecticut       
91 N. Eagleville Rd.
U-3125
Storrs, CT 06269-3125



> On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:48 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Don,
> I wasn't there, but a crewman aboard the 99 told me the owner has a long 
> rivalry with the J-109 which was flying an assymetric on a sprit, also.  He 
> told me the 99 is for sale because the owner bought a J-109 cause it's faster 
> upwind and points higher.   I find the video quite exciting with so many 
> different boats so close together.  The essence of racing.
> 
> Chuck   
>> On 07/21/2020 12:27 PM Donald Kern via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck, 
>> Good demonstration of what happens when you decide to sail a smaller boat 
>> thru the lee of a bigger boat.  Especially dead downwind with a A-chute and 
>> the bigger  has a symmetric chute.   Unless the A-chute was in restricted 
>> water or closing the mark they should have been maxing their VMG by tacking 
>> downwind.  
>> Brings back memories of those blue and gold chutes - use to skipper the wood 
>> and first glass NA 44 yawls. Preferred the wood, they were faster; had no 
>> engines, less weight and drag.  Bristol YC and Herreshoff Marine Museum 
>> sponsor the boat school's 44s each June for the last 5yrs (missed this year 
>> of Offshore Training because of CORVID 19). 
>> 
>> Beat Army !! 
>>   
>> Don Kern 
>> Fireball C&C35 Mk2 
>> Bristol, RI 
>> 
>> On 7/21/2020 10:55 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote: 
>>> I focus on the sailing ability in selecting a boat.  If you sail in a 
>>> steady high winds, go big.  But if you are more like the rest of us and 
>>> have low wind predominantly, I would steer toward the smallest, lightest 
>>> model C&C that still has just enough interior to accommodate my family.  
>>> Smaller, lighter, hulls move first as the wind builds from a calm while 
>>> heavier boats struggle until the wind gets up over 10 knots.  It takes much 
>>> less wind to move a 10,000# boat than a 20,000# one.  Even less to move a 
>>> 5000# boat like a 27 footer which has standing headroom and can be 
>>> trailered home for the winter.  They will all sail to hullspeed once the 
>>> wind reaches about 12 knots and then the longer waterline boat has a speed 
>>> advantage, but under 10 knots which is predominantly what we sail in, the 
>>> lighter boats win and are easier to singlehand and dock, etc.  Check out 
>>> this video of a C&C 99, a 32 footer catching a J109 and two Navy 44 footers 
>>> in a race.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBKifuS60Go 
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBKifuS60Go> 
>>> 
>>> I also prefer the C&C 34/36 model as I own the racing version w vee berths 
>>> (removable for racing) and settee berths, pilot beths, a full width aft 
>>> berth and two pipe berths.  We rate faster than the 40 and the bigger 
>>> sister, the 37/40 rates faster still, though I think the 34/36 was an 
>>> improvement over it. 
>>> Check out the brochures on Stu's cncphotoalbum.com
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R Pasadena, Md
>>> 
>>>    
>>>> On 07/21/2020 9:55 AM Nathan Post via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>>>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Welcome Jeff,
>>>> 
>>>> Something to keep in mind is that a 40 is almost twice as much boat 
>>>> compared to a 34 or 35 (18000+ lbs rather than 10000 or so. Everything is 
>>>> bigger, heavier and more expensive.   And it can also get more complicated 
>>>> to sail - does it have running backstays?  I think that a 38 such as Ocean 
>>>> Phoenix does have running backstays - not sure about the 40.  My 34 does 
>>>> not.  Not a big deal for long passages, but we tend to go out to tool 
>>>> around for an evening tacking and jibing a dozen times in the process or 
>>>> go sail around the islands outside of Marblehead and Beverly and I would 
>>>> prefer to sail rather than motor whenever possible if there is any wind 
>>>> (which is why it is nice to have a light C&C that will move in light air). 
>>>>  Dockage, hauling and winter storage all scale with length too.  If 
>>>> offshore passages are your plan then the bigger boat is likely a better 
>>>> choice and you want to pay attention to the stability numbers as well, and 
>>>> a C&C may not be the right choice at all (although I am sure there are 
>>>> those on this list who would differ). 
>>>> 
>>>> Any 30-40 ft keelboat boat in the under $20000 sale price range is going 
>>>> to need a lot of TLC, fiberglass work, paint, rigging work, sails (likely 
>>>> at some point) and replacements over the coming years. We have a 34 KCB 
>>>> and it is a nice size for us and is easy for my wife and me to handle (we 
>>>> don't have or fly a spin although I am looking to add an asymmetrical at 
>>>> some point). If I was to do it again I might look for a 34+ or 34/36 which 
>>>> is a little larger and has a newer style interior layout with a separate 
>>>> shower from the head I believe.  While that would have been more money up 
>>>> front, but as I put 10+k into improvements plus lots of time each year it 
>>>> would not have made a big difference in the long run.  My boat budget ends 
>>>> up around $20/year, about half of which is slip, hauling, winter storage 
>>>> and insurance, and the other half is maintenance and upgrades.  The first 
>>>> year we had the sails cleaned and repaired for $600, had the prop rebuilt 
>>>> for $500, new water heater, new head plumbing, new bilge pumps, new foam 
>>>> for the cushions (which I restuffed myself, etc.), etc. etc..  Last year 
>>>> we got new cruising sails for $6k and some new lines, new water pump, 
>>>> inflatable life jackets, etc..  This year it was quite a bit more (I 
>>>> haven't kept track) because we had the rod-rigging re-ended and needed a 
>>>> new furler and I repaired soft spots in the deck, repainted and refit the 
>>>> entire deck and included replacing winches with self tailers and added a 
>>>> custom bow roller I designed and sent out to a machine shop along with a 
>>>> new anchor and rode.  I am glad she is only 34ft long rather than 40!  Can 
>>>> you do it for a bit less - yes likely - but it is also nice to be able to 
>>>> improve things and make them better suit your needs and be prepared for 
>>>> the furler that breaks and isn't repairable type expenses.  Slip and such 
>>>> are probably a bit less up in Maine than in the Boston area, but it all 
>>>> adds up. 
>>>> 
>>>> Actually from my experience, and what I have read/learned since, you are 
>>>> much better off spending more money now to get a boat that the previous 
>>>> owner put a lot into upgrading and fixing then a previously neglected boat 
>>>> like I did.  Like you we wanted to get into a 30+ ft cruising boat at the 
>>>> low end of the price point (we paid $7500 for Wisper in 2018) and I do 
>>>> enjoy working on it almost as much as sailing so there is that.  Initially 
>>>> this approach is tempting with lots of old neglected boats in the market, 
>>>> but I wouldn’t likely do that again now that I am into "big boat" 
>>>> ownership.  I would likely still get a 40 year old boat again if/when it 
>>>> comes time to upgrade, but I would look for one that someone else did a 
>>>> lot of upgrading on recently and happily pay more for it (there will still 
>>>> be plenty to do and change over the years).  On the other hand, I am 
>>>> learning a ton as I try things on this boat and learn what I like and 
>>>> don't like and I am not sure if we would have bought a boat at all if I 
>>>> had proposed a larger budget to my wife initially.  And there is also 
>>>> satisfaction in bringing a good boat back from the brink of the scrap yard.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, that is my two cents.  Good luck! 
>>>> 
>>>> Nathan 
>>>> - -
>>>> Nathan Post
>>>> S/V Wisper
>>>> 1981 C&C 34 KCB
>>>> Lynn MA
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