Hi Don, I wasn't there, but a crewman aboard the 99 told me the owner has a long rivalry with the J-109 which was flying an assymetric on a sprit, also. He told me the 99 is for sale because the owner bought a J-109 cause it's faster upwind and points higher. I find the video quite exciting with so many different boats so close together. The essence of racing.
Chuck > On 07/21/2020 12:27 PM Donald Kern via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > > Chuck, > Good demonstration of what happens when you decide to sail a smaller boat > thru the lee of a bigger boat. Especially dead downwind with a A-chute and > the bigger has a symmetric chute. Unless the A-chute was in restricted > water or closing the mark they should have been maxing their VMG by tacking > downwind. > Brings back memories of those blue and gold chutes - use to skipper the > wood and first glass NA 44 yawls. Preferred the wood, they were faster; had > no engines, less weight and drag. Bristol YC and Herreshoff Marine Museum > sponsor the boat school's 44s each June for the last 5yrs (missed this year > of Offshore Training because of CORVID 19). > > Beat Army !! > > Don Kern > Fireball C&C35 Mk2 > Bristol, RI > > On 7/21/2020 10:55 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote: > > > > I focus on the sailing ability in selecting a boat. If > you sail in a steady high winds, go big. But if you are more like the rest > of us and have low wind predominantly, I would steer toward the smallest, > lightest model C&C that still has just enough interior to accommodate my > family. Smaller, lighter, hulls move first as the wind builds from a calm > while heavier boats struggle until the wind gets up over 10 knots. It takes > much less wind to move a 10,000# boat than a 20,000# one. Even less to move > a 5000# boat like a 27 footer which has standing headroom and can be > trailered home for the winter. They will all sail to hullspeed once the wind > reaches about 12 knots and then the longer waterline boat has a speed > advantage, but under 10 knots which is predominantly what we sail in, the > lighter boats win and are easier to singlehand and dock, etc. Check out this > video of a C&C 99, a 32 footer catching a J109 and two Navy 44 footers in a > race. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBKifuS60Go > > > > I also prefer the C&C 34/36 model as I own the racing version w vee > > berths (removable for racing) and settee berths, pilot beths, a full width > > aft berth and two pipe berths. We rate faster than the 40 and the bigger > > sister, the 37/40 rates faster still, though I think the 34/36 was an > > improvement over it. > > Check out the brochures on Stu's cncphotoalbum.com > > > > > > Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R Pasadena, Md > > > > > > > > > > > On 07/21/2020 9:55 AM Nathan Post via > > CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Welcome Jeff, > > > > > > Something to keep in mind is that a 40 is almost twice as > > > much boat compared to a 34 or 35 (18000+ lbs rather than 10000 or so. > > > Everything is bigger, heavier and more expensive. And it can also get > > > more complicated to sail - does it have running backstays? I think that > > > a 38 such as Ocean Phoenix does have running backstays - not sure about > > > the 40. My 34 does not. Not a big deal for long passages, but we tend > > > to go out to tool around for an evening tacking and jibing a dozen times > > > in the process or go sail around the islands outside of Marblehead and > > > Beverly and I would prefer to sail rather than motor whenever possible if > > > there is any wind (which is why it is nice to have a light C&C that will > > > move in light air). Dockage, hauling and winter storage all scale with > > > length too. If offshore passages are your plan then the bigger boat is > > > likely a better choice and you want to pay attention to the stability > > > numbers as well, and a C&C may not be the right choice at all (although I > > > am sure there are those on this list who would differ). > > > > > > Any 30-40 ft keelboat boat in the under $20000 sale price > > > range is going to need a lot of TLC, fiberglass work, paint, rigging > > > work, sails (likely at some point) and replacements over the coming > > > years. We have a 34 KCB and it is a nice size for us and is easy for my > > > wife and me to handle (we don't have or fly a spin although I am looking > > > to add an asymmetrical at some point). If I was to do it again I might > > > look for a 34+ or 34/36 which is a little larger and has a newer style > > > interior layout with a separate shower from the head I believe. While > > > that would have been more money up front, but as I put 10+k into > > > improvements plus lots of time each year it would not have made a big > > > difference in the long run. My boat budget ends up around $20/year, > > > about half of which is slip, hauling, winter storage and insurance, and > > > the other half is maintenance and upgrades. The first year we had the > > > sails cleaned and repaired for $600, had the prop rebuilt for $500, new > > > water heater, new head plumbing, new bilge pumps, new foam for the > > > cushions (which I restuffed myself, etc.), etc. etc.. Last year we got > > > new cruising sails for $6k and some new lines, new water pump, inflatable > > > life jackets, etc.. This year it was quite a bit more (I haven't kept > > > track) because we had the rod-rigging re-ended and needed a new furler > > > and I repaired soft spots in the deck, repainted and refit the entire > > > deck and included replacing winches with self tailers and added a custom > > > bow roller I designed and sent out to a machine shop along with a new > > > anchor and rode. I am glad she is only 34ft long rather than 40! Can > > > you do it for a bit less - yes likely - but it is also nice to be able to > > > improve things and make them better suit your needs and be prepared for > > > the furler that breaks and isn't repairable type expenses. Slip and such > > > are probably a bit less up in Maine than in the Boston area, but it all > > > adds up. > > > > > > Actually from my experience, and what I have read/learned > > > since, you are much better off spending more money now to get a boat that > > > the previous owner put a lot into upgrading and fixing then a previously > > > neglected boat like I did. Like you we wanted to get into a 30+ ft > > > cruising boat at the low end of the price point (we paid $7500 for Wisper > > > in 2018) and I do enjoy working on it almost as much as sailing so there > > > is that. Initially this approach is tempting with lots of old neglected > > > boats in the market, but I wouldn’t likely do that again now that I am > > > into "big boat" ownership. I would likely still get a 40 year old boat > > > again if/when it comes time to upgrade, but I would look for one that > > > someone else did a lot of upgrading on recently and happily pay more for > > > it (there will still be plenty to do and change over the years). On the > > > other hand, I am learning a ton as I try things on this boat and learn > > > what I like and don't like and I am not sure if we would have bought a > > > boat at all if I had proposed a larger budget to my wife initially. And > > > there is also satisfaction in bringing a good boat back from the brink of > > > the scrap yard. > > > > > > Anyway, that is my two cents. Good luck! > > > > > > Nathan > > > - - > > > Nathan Post > > > S/V Wisper > > > 1981 C&C 34 KCB > > > Lynn MA > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your > > > contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. 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