The imperfections of handicap systems have been discussed a lot. You just have to accept them with all their warts.
One protection against local politics is to race a boat which has several sisterboats. If your boat is the only one like it in the fleet and you win a lot, you probably will be hit. On the other hand, if there are one or more boats like yours in the fleet and the others are not well raced, you have a small "buffer" against an adjustment. Another protection is to be a member of the club with a local handicapper or a club with clout. Hence, the politics. PHRF (Punishing Hard Racing Folks) is not a perfect system. On the other hand, there are racers who stretch the system. They'll buy a "sleeper" boat, trick it out to the max, win a few races then sell it when the handicappers hit it. IMHO, the biggest problem with PHRF is when there is a mixed fleet with sport boats and displacement boats. The system just doesn't have the capability to handle the significant differences in performance in varying conditions for disparate boat types. Personally, I think the Portsmouth TOT system is better than PHRF. I'm monitoring my area's venture into ORR-EZ. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 8:56 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > What Edd refers to as “corruption” I referred to in my earlier note as > “local politics.” In my view Edd is correct – corrupt local politics is > probably the biggest factor in rating anomalies. > > *From:* Edd Schillay via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent:* Monday, June 10, 2019 4:42 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 30 MK I PHRF Rating > > Randy, > > As someone who was Commodore of a Western Long Island Sound yacht racing > association for over 12 years and who has had access to ratings data from > all over the USA, there is, simply, a one-word answer: > > Corruption > > First of all, the P in PHRF is Performance. So, if there is a a few C&C > 30s that race in a particular area that do very well, one of their > competitors will go to the PHRF committee and ask for a rating review > stating it’s unfair racing, which may result in a change in that rating. > The more someone complains, the more likely a change will be made, just to > shut them up. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. That alone is corrupt. > > Now here is where the BIG corruption comes in to play: Quite often the > members of the PHRF committees are people in the sailing industry, usually > sailmakers. Give them business and changes will probably come in your > favor. > > In some areas, it’s gotten better, but it’s still a mess. Real racing > factors such as sail area, displacement, waterline, etc. are not part of > any PHRF calculation, except maybe when faced with a one-off new boat -- > they’ll rate it similar to another boat with the same specs. > > As you can tell, I’m not a fan. But other systems are either super > expensive or have gone extinct (Americap had such promise). > > What racing needs is a mathematician with some extra time on his hands > that can create a formula that will calculate a rating system based solely > on the boat’s characteristics. > > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Captain of the Starship Enterprise > C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY > Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL > > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Listers- > > Looking at US Sailing’s “History of US PHRF Affiliated Fleet Handicaps” ( > https://www.ussailing.org/competition/offshore/phrf/phrf-handicaps/), you > can see that there is a range of ratings for the 30 MK I across different > fleets, from 168 to 186 seconds per nautical mile. Note I believe that the > “C&C 30” and “C&C 30 (1-506)” models are the same boat in that document’s > tables. > > I’m trying to understand why that is. The mode, or most often occurring > rating, is 174. That’s with spinnaker, and generally assumes a folding > prop, from what I understand. But why would the Newfoundland fleet rate > the boat at 168 sec/nm, for example, and the Northwest fleet rate it at 186? > > If we have any listers from those fleets / Regional Sailing Associations > who can shed light on this question, I’d be very interested. > > When my boat was first rated by my RSA (https://rmsail.org, in US > Sailing’s Area F) back in 2016, she was given a rating of 186, with a fixed > two-blade prop. Her rating stayed at 186 after I got a folding prop for > the 2017 season and beyond. > > Now my RSA is re-rating all boats in the region. I believe the > handicapper is primarily looking at the above US Sailing document, and > probably choosing the most-often occurring rating as the base. So I > believe my boat’s rating will probably change to 174. > > Can anyone explain the range of ratings? > > Thank You, > Randy Stafford > S/V Grenadine > C&C 30-1 #7 > Ken Caryl, CO > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. 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