Matt and Edd; I agree, that's why I quit racing... Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -----Original Message----- From: Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Matthew L. Wolford <wolf...@erie.net> Sent: Tue, Jun 11, 2019 9:56 am Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MK I PHRF Rating
What Edd refers to as “corruption” I referred to in my earlier note as “local politics.” In my view Edd is correct – corrupt local politics is probably the biggest factor in rating anomalies. From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 4:42 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MK I PHRF Rating Randy, As someone who was Commodore of a Western Long Island Sound yacht racing association for over 12 years and who has had access to ratings data from all over the USA, there is, simply, a one-word answer: Corruption First of all, the P in PHRF is Performance. So, if there is a a few C&C 30s that race in a particular area that do very well, one of their competitors will go to the PHRF committee and ask for a rating review stating it’s unfair racing, which may result in a change in that rating. The more someone complains, the more likely a change will be made, just to shut them up. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. That alone is corrupt. Now here is where the BIG corruption comes in to play: Quite often the members of the PHRF committees are people in the sailing industry, usually sailmakers. Give them business and changes will probably come in your favor. In some areas, it’s gotten better, but it’s still a mess. Real racing factors such as sail area, displacement, waterline, etc. are not part of any PHRF calculation, except maybe when faced with a one-off new boat -- they’ll rate it similar to another boat with the same specs. As you can tell, I’m not a fan. But other systems are either super expensive or have gone extinct (Americap had such promise). What racing needs is a mathematician with some extra time on his hands that can create a formula that will calculate a rating system based solely on the boat’s characteristics. All the best, Edd Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Jun 10, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Listers- Looking at US Sailing’s “History of US PHRF Affiliated Fleet Handicaps” (https://www.ussailing.org/competition/offshore/phrf/phrf-handicaps/), you can see that there is a range of ratings for the 30 MK I across different fleets, from 168 to 186 seconds per nautical mile. Note I believe that the “C&C 30” and “C&C 30 (1-506)” models are the same boat in that document’s tables. I’m trying to understand why that is. The mode, or most often occurring rating, is 174. That’s with spinnaker, and generally assumes a folding prop, from what I understand. But why would the Newfoundland fleet rate the boat at 168 sec/nm, for example, and the Northwest fleet rate it at 186? If we have any listers from those fleets / Regional Sailing Associations who can shed light on this question, I’d be very interested. When my boat was first rated by my RSA (https://rmsail.org, in US Sailing’s Area F) back in 2016, she was given a rating of 186, with a fixed two-blade prop. Her rating stayed at 186 after I got a folding prop for the 2017 season and beyond. Now my RSA is re-rating all boats in the region. I believe the handicapper is primarily looking at the above US Sailing document, and probably choosing the most-often occurring rating as the base. So I believe my boat’s rating will probably change to 174. Can anyone explain the range of ratings? Thank You,Randy StaffordS/V GrenadineC&C 30-1 #7Ken Caryl, CO_______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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