Well my 1981 40-2 is definitely a light air screamer. Yet she rates faster in Buzzards Bay (home of the Smokin’ Southwester), than Narragansett Bay which has lighter winds.
Go figure. I stick to long distance races now where those anomalies iron out (hopefully). David F. Risch Gulf Stream Associates (401) 419-4650 From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> On Behalf Of Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 9:43 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Matthew L. Wolford <wolf...@erie.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MK I PHRF Rating Different PHRF organizations in different parts of the country assign ratings based on performance (the P in PHRF). If the boat does better in heavy weather, for example, its racing results will be better in regions where there is more wind (and thus a lower base rating). If it’s a light air boat, the opposite is true. Then there’s design/construction differences, modifications, props, roller furlers, mast size, etc. In addition, a base rating could be changed as a result of a rating adjustment request or a competitor’s challenge. And my personal favorite, local politics. From: dwight veinot via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 8:56 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: dwight veinot<mailto:dwight...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MK I PHRF Rating Most of our best racing fun happens whenever we see another mast on a boat with similar rating to Alianna. These “races” usually take less than 15 min to decide who has the edge on any particular tack then we break away to have fun going wherever we want to go. That said we have done hundreds of handicapped races and the one positive i will note about those is that they were an excellent way to learn how to sail for best performance. So handicap racing is a learning experience not to be taken too seriously. I never really liked Spending a nice day on the water sailing a course that someone else had set and which often resulted in collisions and most often congestion at marks on otherwise open water. Amazing what some racers will do at the start line and mark rounding in particular to gain an advantage given that most enter these races with a rather limited knowledge of the racing rules of sailing and are operating rather expensive toys with valuable but often ill informed lives aboard. Nuff said On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 5:26 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Listers- Looking at US Sailing’s “History of US PHRF Affiliated Fleet Handicaps” (https://www.ussailing.org/competition/offshore/phrf/phrf-handicaps/<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ussailing.org%2Fcompetition%2Foffshore%2Fphrf%2Fphrf-handicaps%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf8538abdd8cb465080b108d6ee72fc0c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636958574951516219&sdata=u8iAPljNhCMYsHg0XsyjlyMIWWWunM%2FHRRZKrlKN4mk%3D&reserved=0>), you can see that there is a range of ratings for the 30 MK I across different fleets, from 168 to 186 seconds per nautical mile. Note I believe that the “C&C 30” and “C&C 30 (1-506)” models are the same boat in that document’s tables. I’m trying to understand why that is. The mode, or most often occurring rating, is 174. That’s with spinnaker, and generally assumes a folding prop, from what I understand. But why would the Newfoundland fleet rate the boat at 168 sec/nm, for example, and the Northwest fleet rate it at 186? If we have any listers from those fleets / Regional Sailing Associations who can shed light on this question, I’d be very interested. When my boat was first rated by my RSA (https://rmsail.org<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Frmsail.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf8538abdd8cb465080b108d6ee72fc0c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636958574951526224&sdata=ly26SdUFglOqjxKMh%2BXamAmirb59pk1CruF2EAx6oL0%3D&reserved=0>, in US Sailing’s Area F) back in 2016, she was given a rating of 186, with a fixed two-blade prop. Her rating stayed at 186 after I got a folding prop for the 2017 season and beyond. Now my RSA is re-rating all boats in the region. I believe the handicapper is primarily looking at the above US Sailing document, and probably choosing the most-often occurring rating as the base. So I believe my boat’s rating will probably change to 174. Can anyone explain the range of ratings? Thank You, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. 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