When I got my boat in 1997, the pole had been laying in grass for 4 years and was crummy, 4 ½” in diameter, big clunky ends and weighed a ton, I would never have used it.
I ordered a carbon spar from Forespar that I can whip around with one hand. I think 16 feet is their limit for 3 ½” diameter, but they made an exception if they could put an extra wrap or two of carbon to go to 17’. Put a Harken track up the mast to store it there, works like a dream, and I have never once regretted it. I think at the time it was around $1500. Bill Coleman C&C 39 Erie, PAanimated_favicon1 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 12:55 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Richard Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height Joe; what I would like to get is some analysis on whether the lighter pole is worth the additional cost? Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Pro – it is lighter Con – it costs more Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard Bush via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2019 1:46 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Richard Bush <bushma...@aol.com> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height Andy; I liked your article; would you advise pro or con on the cost of using a carbon fiber whisker pole? Thanks Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2019 10:26 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height Here's a short piece I wrote on how to rig and set a pole. It really isn't too big a chore, if you do it right. https://www.cruisingworld.com/how/sailing-downwind-set-whisker-pole Andy Andrew Burton 139 Tuckerman Ave Middletown, RI USA 02842 www.burtonsailing.com http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Apr 2, 2019, at 09:33, David Knecht via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I have to disagree with the recommendation to just use the spinnaker pole. I bought a whisker pole because it weighs much less than the spinnaker pole and I can store it vertically attached at the mast end. I don’t think I could maneuver the spinnaker pole in place by myself on the unstable deck of a boat downwind. I don’t trust my balance plus it is really heavy and unwieldy even on firm ground. The whisker pole also allows me to set different lengths depending on conditions. Related to that: I read the Forespar recommendations on whisker pole use the other day. They strongly recommended using a topping lift. I have not done that although I have one. It seems like it might affect sail shape as the weight of the pole pulling down on the clew might alter the shape of the leech of the sail. I will play when I can sail again, but wonder if anyone has thoughts. Dave S/V Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT <pastedGraphic.tiff> On Mar 29, 2019, at 7:04 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Pretty serious racers there worrying about using a whisker pole longer than J and the associated time penalty and that is really only a consideration on a run. There are so many other reasons to take extra seconds or minutes to complete the course. Just stick with your spin pole use your topping lift and pole the genoa out a little to windward so wing on wing with genoa to weather Always found that fastest on a run and less chance of accidental jibe of the mainsail. Try it if you got a spinn pole onboard On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 7:48 PM David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: If I were racing in that neck of the woods I would like some clarification of this. Unrestricted pole length is a major advantage...especially in light airs. Get Outlook for Android _____ From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Michael Brown via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 12:40:21 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brown Subject: Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height Not much in the PHRF-LO Handicapper's manual on the topic. It is covered in meeting notes from 2008 and 2009. WPL penalty – There will no longer be a penalty for oversized Whisker Pole lengths. 2009 Spring Meeting. https://www.phrf-lo.org/index.php/about-us/meetings/central-council/205-2009-spring-meeting It would be nice if there was some definitive statement in the current documentation but I do not see any. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:45:53 +0000 From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Michael Check the PHRF-LO bylaws carefully. In PHRF-NS the whicker pole is considered to be a spinnaker pole which is limited to J. You may wish to look in a definitions section if one is available. I have been involved with handicapping for many years in our region and this is my understanding of how most areas do it. However I do know there are some areas that have separate limit for whisker pole than for spinnaker pole that is permitted to be longer than J ? I just cannot recall at this time which areas those are Mike Persistence Halifax, NS _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray -- Sent from Gmail Mobile _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. 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