All I had Forespar build a line drive carbon fiber whisker pole (all carbon fiber, no aluminum extension) for our C&C 39TM 5 years ago. I spent the time to discuss at length the build with Forespar tech at their facility in CA since I wanted the pole to work not only as an expandable whisker pole to use when white sail racing but also as a J (16') legal spinnaker pole.
The end result works very well, but the pole is about 50%+ heavier than Honey's original aluminum pole, so no joy weight wise. The topping lift must be used with this pole due to it's weight, no exceptions. However, it is expandable to approximately 28' in light to medium breezes and has taken all of the punishment that our original aluminum pole did when used with either our A sails or symmetrical chutes. The final cost was slightly over 4 USD boat bucks in delivered costs and that was the wholesale price via our Port Supply (now West Marine PRO) account. Carbon Fiber poles are EXPENSIVE and you must keep it covered since they do not like UV exposure for long periods of time. Forespar will not warranty their poles for US damage related issues. Also, the line drive carbon pole does not have the outboard release at the butt end so we have either drop the pole on to the fore deck to release the clew or hope like hell that the fore deck crew doesn't forget to tie on the tag line to release the clew before we do the end dip jibe. Do we like this pole: Yes Would I have another one built: No Just my 2 cents worth. Best regards, Jack Fitzgerald HONEY - US12788 C&C 39TM (1974) Savannah, GA 31410 USA Tel. no: 912 898.1069 - Fax no: 912 898.9458 - 24/7 mobile number: 912 441.2296 Email*: j...@fitzgeraldforwarding.com www.fitzgeraldforwarding.com This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 2:01 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > That is kind of variable. My aluminum spinnaker pole is heavy and awkward > for me to deal with. I would LOVE the weight reduction of a carbon fiber > pole. It would make a hard job easy. > > No budget for it through and I can handle the pole, so I do. If I was 5 > feet tall and 100 pounds, a carbon pole would be more of a requirement than > a luxury. > > > > Joe > > Coquina > > C&C 35 MK I > > > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard > via CnC-List > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2019 12:55 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Richard <bushma...@aol.com> > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Downwind sailing- Whisker pole > length and height > > > > Joe; what I would like to get is some analysis on whether the lighter pole > is worth the additional cost? Thanks > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 3, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Pro – it is lighter > > Con – it costs more > > > > Joe > > Coquina > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Richard Bush via CnC-List > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 02, 2019 1:46 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Richard Bush <bushma...@aol.com> > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length > and height > > > > Andy; I liked your article; would you advise pro or con on the cost of > using a carbon fiber whisker pole? Thanks > > > > Richard > > s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596 > > Richard N. Bush > > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine > > Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 > > 502-584-7255 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com> > Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2019 10:26 am > Subject: Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height > > Here's a short piece I wrote on how to rig and set a pole. It really isn't > too big a chore, if you do it right. > > https://www.cruisingworld.com/how/sailing-downwind-set-whisker-pole > > > > Andy > > Andrew Burton > > 139 Tuckerman Ave > > Middletown, RI > > USA 02842 > > > > www.burtonsailing.com > > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > > +401 965-5260 > > > On Apr 2, 2019, at 09:33, David Knecht via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > I have to disagree with the recommendation to just use the spinnaker > pole. I bought a whisker pole because it weighs much less than the > spinnaker pole and I can store it vertically attached at the mast end. I > don’t think I could maneuver the spinnaker pole in place by myself on the > unstable deck of a boat downwind. I don’t trust my balance plus it is > really heavy and unwieldy even on firm ground. The whisker pole also > allows me to set different lengths depending on conditions. > > > > Related to that: I read the Forespar recommendations on whisker pole use > the other day. They strongly recommended using a topping lift. I have not > done that although I have one. It seems like it might affect sail shape as > the weight of the pole pulling down on the clew might alter the shape of > the leech of the sail. I will play when I can sail again, but wonder if > anyone has thoughts. Dave > > > > S/V Aries > > 1990 C&C 34+ > > New London, CT > > > <pastedGraphic.tiff> > > > > On Mar 29, 2019, at 7:04 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > Pretty serious racers there worrying about using a whisker pole longer > than J and the associated time penalty and that is really only a > consideration on a run. There are so many other reasons to take extra > seconds or minutes to complete the course. Just stick with your spin pole > use your topping lift and pole the genoa out a little to windward so wing > on wing with genoa to weather Always found that fastest on a run and less > chance of accidental jibe of the mainsail. Try it if you got a spinn pole > onboard > > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 7:48 PM David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > If I were racing in that neck of the woods I would like some clarification > of this. Unrestricted pole length is a major advantage...especially in > light airs. > > Get Outlook for Android > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Michael > Brown via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2019 12:40:21 PM > > > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Michael Brown > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height > > > > Not much in the PHRF-LO Handicapper's manual on the topic. It is covered in > > meeting notes from 2008 and 2009. > > > > *WPL penalty –* There will no longer be a penalty for oversized Whisker > Pole lengths. > > > > 2009 Spring Meeting. > > > > > https://www.phrf-lo.org/index.php/about-us/meetings/central-council/205-2009-spring-meeting > > > > It would be nice if there was some definitive statement in the current > documentation but I > > do not see any. > > > > > > Michael Brown > > Windburn > > C&C 30-1 > > > > > > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:45:53 +0000 > From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > > > Michael > > Check the PHRF-LO bylaws carefully. In PHRF-NS the whicker pole is > considered to be a spinnaker pole which is limited to J. You may wish to > look in a definitions section if one is available. I have been involved > with handicapping for many years in our region and this is my understanding > of how most areas do it. However I do know there are some areas that have > separate limit for whisker pole than for spinnaker pole that is permitted > to be longer than J ? I just cannot recall at this time which areas those > are > > Mike > Persistence > Halifax, NS > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > -- > > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. 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