FWIW, I’m not a big fan of marelon where there is a potential for breakage. I
would be reluctant to use marelon seacocks for the cockpit scuppers on my boat.
I can envision crawling around in that space (like working on the quadrant)
and inadvertently breaking a seacock by pushing on it with my foot for leverage
(without knowing what I’m pushing on).
From: sender via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 3:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: sender
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Thanks to all who responded.
I was hoping there would be an abundance of people in a similar situation,
successfully freeing up the seacocks without too much difficulty. There
wasn't, so I think I'm going to go the route of replacing with Marelon seacocks
and hopefully be done with it for good.
The secondary discussion about the lines crossing, is interesting, but I've
never noticed any back-up of water through the existing arrangement. It seems
to me for the crossed arrangement to work, the windward hull fitting would have
to be well above the healed waterline to avoid water ingress, which means you
would't get drainage of any spray when healed. Am I missing something here?
Thanks again,
Eric
On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 7:18 AM Neil Andersen via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
But by crossing the hoses, you don’t end up wit a situation where the scupper
and thru-hull are both below the waterline when healed.
Neil Andersen
1982 C&C 32 FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD
Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661
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Wolford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Agreed that cockpit drains should always be open and functioning correctly.
I had one closed for some repair work on my old Ranger 26 and decided it would
be safe to race the boat with one functioning cockpit drain. Worked great as
long as we were on the right tack. We were nervously bailing on the other tack
several miles offshore. Never again.
I am curious to hear more about the idea of crossing the hoses. It does not
make sense to me as the far side thru-hull would be higher when heeled.
From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 10:19 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
I apologize for creating confusion. For the reasons stated by Andrew Burton,
DO NOT shut cockpit drains. Period. My statement was supposed to be that
having seacocks open while not in use, or while away from the the boat was an
invitation for desaster. A better practice would be to relocate the cockpit
drains to a location above the waterline which would eliminate the need for
isolation valves and the subsequent risk incurred by the necessity of leaving
them open.
I also went on to suggest that in order to keep them above water on all
angles of heel that you MAY need to cross the drains port-stbd though depending
on the discharge location this may cause the cockpit drains to be lower than
the discharge ports and subsequently not drain until the next tack. A more
centralized drain is a better solution. As mentioned by others a discharge in
the transom is a good solution. You want it as high above waterline as
possible but below the cockpit floor.
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 10:03 AM PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Maybe dumb question but I have only been sailing on C&c 40 for 3 years.
(J24 Catalina oday all had open cockpit drains out stern)
When sailing do people regularly close cockpit drains I am on the side
mine are always open but I did service mine which required them to be taken
apart(frozen open— lots of pb. Blaster and kroil oil and careful persuasion) ).
So if I wanted to I could close them I could
Thanks
Peter
C&c 40 aft 1983
Portland me
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 30, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one is
aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit!
Andy
Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI
USA 02842
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260
On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be closed
when not in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those
below the water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains will not be in
use. Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed. I suggest
looking for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above the waterline,
without valves, and then permanently retire the through hulls.
Also consider the waterline when heeled. You may have to cross port
and starboard.
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I bought earlier this year a C&C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed
out is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position.
This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of
BC.
I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of
seacock, and had success freeing it up.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA
The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12"
panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably accessible,
I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through
the locker and remove the fuel tank.
The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is
(well, was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on?
Thanks,
Eric
C&C 32 Sirocco 2
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