Agreed that cockpit drains should always be open and functioning correctly.  I 
had one closed for some repair work on my old Ranger 26 and decided it would be 
safe to race the boat with one functioning cockpit drain.  Worked great as long 
as we were on the right tack.  We were nervously bailing on the other tack 
several miles offshore.  Never again.

I am curious to hear more about the idea of crossing the hoses.  It does not 
make sense to me as the far side thru-hull would be higher when heeled.   

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 10:19 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue

I apologize for creating confusion.  For the reasons stated by Andrew Burton, 
DO NOT shut cockpit drains.  Period.  My statement was supposed to be that 
having seacocks open while not in use, or while away from the the boat was an 
invitation for desaster.  A better practice would be to relocate the cockpit 
drains to a location above the waterline which would eliminate the need for 
isolation valves and the subsequent risk incurred by the necessity of leaving 
them open.   

I also went on to suggest that in order to keep them above water on all angles 
of heel that you MAY need to cross the drains port-stbd though depending on the 
discharge location this may cause the cockpit drains to be lower than the 
discharge ports and subsequently not drain until the next tack.  A more 
centralized drain is a better solution.  As mentioned by others a discharge in 
the transom is a good solution.  You want it as high above waterline as 
possible but below the cockpit floor. 

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 10:03 AM PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

  Maybe dumb question but I have only been sailing on C&c  40 for 3 years. (J24 
Catalina oday all had open cockpit drains out stern) 

  When sailing do people regularly close cockpit drains  I am on the side mine 
are always open but I did service mine which required them to be taken 
apart(frozen open— lots of pb. Blaster and kroil oil and careful persuasion) ). 
So if I wanted to I could close them  I could 

  Thanks

  Peter 
  C&c 40 aft 1983
  Portland me


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Dec 30, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


    Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one is 
aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit!
    Andy

    Andrew Burton 
    139 Tuckerman Ave
    Middletown, RI 
    USA    02842

    http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
    +401 965-5260

    On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


      That was poor engineering to begin with.  Seacocks should be closed when 
not in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those below 
the water line.  There is no time when your cockpit drains will not be in use.  
Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed.  I suggest looking 
for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above the waterline, without 
valves, and then permanently retire the through hulls. 

      Also consider the waterline when heeled.  You may have to cross port and 
starboard.


      Josh Muckley 
      S/V Sea Hawk 
      1989 C&C 37+
      Solomons, MD 


      On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

        I bought earlier this year a C&C 32.  One issue the surveyor pointed 
out is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position.  
This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of 
BC. 

        I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of 
seacock, and had success freeing it up.  

        https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA


        The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" 
panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth.  If it was reasonably accessible, 
I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through 
the locker and remove the fuel tank.

        The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube.  I assume this is (well, 
was) a grease cup.  Has anyone taken one of these on?

        Thanks,
        Eric
        C&C 32 Sirocco 2
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