I'm not a member of the local Sailing club (Southern Maryland Sailing Association - SMSA) but I reached out to one of the members and here is his response.
*Yes Randy is similar to SMSA. We have a club associated with SMSA they are SCC that is for kids. Most (but not all) have parents in SMSA. We allow them a set number of days to use our club for non-race events such as meetings, ice cream socials, and pot lucks. We do not charge them a fee but they do not use our race equipment because they have their own. Basically it is no cost to SMSA other than slight increase in utilities which is born by SMSA. If they were to use our RC equipment they would have to cover costs by paying the same race fee as SMSA members. As for liability insurance it is to protect SMSA and its board members not individual boats. As you know if there is an incident during an event they will try to sue anyone that has money. Boats should have their own insurance. Another thing is the sister club should be required to help maintain/clean the club especially on scheduled work days.* Hope that helps, Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 10:48 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Charlie, > > Interesting dilemma. > > The one point that really jumped out at me is that the One-Design club > proposing to associate with BSC has (only) ~10 boats for their weekday > races. That’s a small operation. It sounds like that OD club has more to > gain from the BSC association than vice-versa; it sounds like BSC would be > essentially subsidizing the OD club’s activity (racing) in one way or > another. > > I’m a six-year active member and past Commodore of Colorado Sail & Yacht > Club (https://csyc.org). But our situation is exactly the opposite of > yours: we are primarily a racing club comprised of multiple one-design and > PRHF fleets, with about 80 members (half “full”, half “crew/dinghy") and > three dozen keelboats racing in a good year, and about 45 days worth of > racing per year. We have a social program that’s kind of hit or miss > depending on the event, and a fledgling cruising program that is attracting > some interest. We own capital assets in the form of a pontoon boat for RC, > marks, flags, etc. racing equipment, but we don’t own any real estate > assets (we operate at a state park and use its amenities). We do have a > tiny minority of members who join the club but don’t race, some of whom own > boats and even some who don't. Some do it for access to the social events, > and some for reciprocal privileges at other yacht clubs. I measure the > health of our club by how many keelboats register and show up to race in > our series races and regattas, and by how many dinghies participate in our > dinghy series. Less so by how many people show up at social and cruising > events; we’re primarily a racing club. > > To your questions: > > * Yes CSYC supplies RC and mark/safety boats and personnel to our racers. > We rotate - every full member is required to perform two such personnel > duties per year. > > * No the racers are not covered by the club’s liability insurance. We > require all boats entering races to provide proof of insurance. Our policy > only covers our RC boat, M&D insurance, etc. > > * Yes the club charges a fee for the support it provides. There is a base > membership fee plus separate entry fees for every race. > > * No the club doesn't impose fees on the racers for use of (rented) > facilities. Those costs are paid from the club’s general account funded by > base membership fees. We do impose fees for special dinners e.g. a low > country boil we do every year after one of our regattas. > > * Yes CSYC charges additional fees to racing members to cover racing > expenses. The per-race fees are primarily to cover things like trophies, > race official gifts, etc. > > Our governing documents are available at > https://csyc.org/csyc-documents/csyc-bylaws-and-policies/ but they barely > touch on the idea of an association with another club. > > Best Regards, > Randy Stafford > S/V Grenadine > C&C 30-1 #7 > Ken Caryl, CO > CSYC Past Commodore > > On Dec 18, 2018, at 7:47 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Hello all CnCers; > > I have some questions for those of you who belong to Sailing or Yacht > Clubs, especially those with buildings and grounds, etc. Those whose clubs > are 'paper only' can also chime in. > > Blackbeard Sailing Club (BSC) has ~ 200 members and is exclusively a > sailing club founded in ~ 1972. We own real estate, a clubhouse, and other > buildings located near New Bern, NC on a creek that joins the Neuse River. > Dues are modest (~$550/year) as are in-water slips (~$1000/year). We also > have dry storage, dinghy storage and dock boxes available for modest fees. > > Most of the upkeep is done by member labor with occasional professionals > used to replace entire dock sections, etc. which allows the above costs to > be kept reasonable. > > Most members are cruisers with maybe 30 members who actively race either > in a OD San Juan 21 fleet, an Ensign fleet or in local PHRF races run by an > active club (Neuse River Yacht Association) without facilities (a paper > club). Our club (BSC) sponsors an OD regatta and a PHRF regatta or 2 > annually and often helps out with local OD fleets and PHRF races with RC > personnel, equipment, etc. All these fleets are relatively local and many > club members are also members of these fleets/clubs. > > I am a member of several paper clubs which are exclusively devoted to > racing--have even served as the Commodore of several of them. In these > racing clubs, all the revenue and expenses are devoted to racing only--this > keeps things simple and relatively low cost, especially without property > concerns (taxes, upkeep, etc.). > > Recently, BSC has been approached by an OD club with a proposal for them > to associate with us (most of the OD are members of our club) to assist > them with personnel, equipment, insurance, etc. for their weekday races (~ > 10 boats). This fleet has about 16 race days (Thursdays) per year with > several races per day. This is new 'ground' for our club and while we are > keen to support local sailboat racing in all its forms, we have to be > mindful of the majority of our members who do not race but certainly pay > dues, slip fees, etc. Hence our dilemma--how do we support our racing > minority in a club whose majority are cruisers or day sailors? > > What I would like to know from those on the list (in broad terms) is how > your club handles racing in your club, especially if the racers represent a > relative minority of your otherwise cruising members: > > Does the club supply RC and mark/safety boats and personnel for your > racers? > > Are the racers covered by the club's liability insurance while on the > water racing? > > Does the club charge a fee or fees for the support it provides? > > Does the club impose any fees on the racers for the use of the club > facilities such as the clubhouse for dinners, etc.? > > Does your club charge additional fees to your racing members to cover > racing expenses? > > This issue is new to our club and some other local OD fleets and paper > clubs may want a similar association. Thus we would like to get any > agreement between us and a smaller fleet/club mostly correct the first > time. Further, I am sure that this is not the first time this problem has > come up in sailing clubs with racers as members, albeit in a minority. > > Any suggestions on how your club handles these issues or others similar to > these would be appreciated, including copies of by-laws, etc. that spell > out how such issues are addressed. > > Thanks in advance, > > Charlie Nelson > Rear Commodore (to be in 2019!) > Blackbeard Sailing Club > New Bern, NC > 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb > Water Phantom > > cenel...@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. 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