They both appeared very smooth- just black tarnish and small amount of pitting around the holes but they didn't appear to be in dire need of lapping or grinding. There was no build-up or scoring on the inner drums. The outer drum is hard to tell.
Do all of you do a round of lapping when you service these? Dan Sent from my iPhone > On May 26, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Kevin Paxton <kpax...@paxdesigns.com> wrote: > > Lapping compound is needed to smooth out the surfaces so that they join > properly and provide a good seal. If they aren't smooth, then the possibility > of a leak is far greater. Check out that link I provided on the servicing of > them and it explains it really well. > >> On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 2:21 PM Daniel Cormier via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> Ok, so I finally got them freed up. For one I used a monkey wrench and it >> gave after considerable force. The second required a 2' pipe slide into the >> end of my huge monkey wrench and came free with the leverage with no damage >> to anything as far as I can tell. The drums needed scrubbing with a >> non-scratching scouring pad and I re-assembled them with lubricant. One drum >> looked smooth, the other showed a little black and tarnish. I don't have any >> lapping compound so hopefully I don't get any leaks... how important is the >> lapping compound step? >> >> Thanks for all the help guys! >> >> Dan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 25, 2018, at 9:22 PM, G Collins via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> if memory serves, you can take off the handle and fit a regular socket on >>> the stub. Put a breaker bar on that and heave away. >>> >>> Mine needed to be re-ground to stop leaking, I used a socket wrench on it >>> as it made it a lot faster to turn the cone. >>> >>> Do you need a thin wrench to re-tighten when you have everything loose? I >>> ground one down to fit the inside nut. >>> Graham Collins >>> Secret Plans >>> C&C 35-III #11 >>>> On 2018-05-25 9:34 AM, Dan via CnC-List wrote: >>>> Thanks Rick, >>>> >>>> So far I've removed the nut and large washer plate from the end of both >>>> seacocks and exposed the inner drum (yesterday) and sprayed liquid wrench >>>> liberally into the creases, into the drain/greasing plug holes, and I >>>> stopped up the seackocks from underneath the hull and sprayed intensively >>>> down both scuppers to coat the inside of the valve. I removed the handles >>>> and put a wrench on this morning and applied pressure and also banged with >>>> a rubber mallet to no avail. >>>> >>>> There's simply no room in there to tap the end of the threaded part with >>>> anything. Some kind of compression jig would be ideal but I can't think of >>>> anything right now that would fit on there. I have a huge monkey wrench in >>>> storage that will probably break them free, or I can try the long pipe >>>> trick but I won't have a chance to do anything else until Sunday - will >>>> send an update then! >>>> >>>> Thanks for all the help guys! >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 11:41 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List >>>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>> Dan; >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The “drain” plugs you mention are actually for lubricating the valve – >>>>> kind of like the grease cup most of us have on our rudder shaft housing. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The valve, as you have probably figured out already, is a tapered plug >>>>> that looks like a big metal cork with a hole drilled across the >>>>> centerline. There is a retaining shaft on the back with a nut that holds >>>>> the tapered plug into the tapered body of the through hull. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you loosen the retaining nut on the back by 1 to 2 turns. Don’t remove >>>>> it, just loosen it a bit. After your penetrating oil has had a chance to >>>>> soak in a bit, tap on the retaining nut with a brass or wooden mallet. >>>>> Neither the nut or the threaded shaft on the plug should be damaged. A >>>>> sound tap or two will move the plug “out” a fraction of an inch and break >>>>> the bond of the internal corrosion. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When you disassemble the valve to clean up the corrosion, be sure you >>>>> don’t damage the outer surface of the plug or the inner surface of the >>>>> valve. A smmoth tight fit ( and a liberal amount of grease) is >>>>> essentially what keeps water from leaking around the plug. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis >>>>> C. via CnC-List >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 10:43 AM >>>>> To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>>>> Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List cockpit drain seacocks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> With the boat out of the water, you have more options. If you poured a >>>>> liquid penetrating oil down the scupper, it may coat the plug but chances >>>>> are most of it will pass through onto the ground. If you could figure a >>>>> way to plug the seacock from underneath so the oil would be stopped at >>>>> the top of the plug when you pour from the top it may then seep around >>>>> the plug. Maybe some Play-Doh? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dennis C. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 8:14 AM, Dan via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I removed the "drain" plugs on both sides of the seacocks (4 in total), >>>>> sprayed inside through those, then I sprayed the seams. I should have >>>>> loosened that tension bolt on the end. The thought didn't even cross my >>>>> mind, but now it makes complete sense. I can try spraying from >>>>> undneath/outside the boat which would have the same effect as spraying >>>>> from the removed hose? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 10:02 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List >>>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> How did you administer the penetrating oil? Did you just spray it on the >>>>> outside or did you put any down the scupper or remove the hose and put it >>>>> in the top? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dennis C. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Dan via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ok, I will give it another go with these tips. The good news is I haven't >>>>> damaged anything so far and the penetrating oil is still probabbly >>>>> getting in there and doing it's thing... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The space around these seacocks is very limited so removing them would be >>>>> a real bi*ch compared to servicing them so I'm really hoping to free >>>>> them. They do look like really expensive and high quality seacocks and >>>>> are well adhered to the hull. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks guys, will update with progress! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 8:44 AM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List >>>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> forgot to mention that I followed this write up once I got it loose. >>>>> >>>>> https://marinehowto.com/servicing-tapered-cone-seacocks/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 7:39 AM John Christopher via CnC-List >>>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Dan, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I believe I have the same ones. I did the same as you with no progress. I >>>>> then got a hollow metal tube at the Home Depot to use as leverage over >>>>> the handles, and seemingly without much effort (leverage working at its >>>>> best$ I was able to work them open and closed. >>>>> >>>>> /J >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 24, 2018, at 12:42 AM, Dan <dgcorm...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm on the hard. I have these two giant bronze seacocks for my cockpit >>>>> drain hoses. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> photos on google drive: >>>>> >>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=12TWUN1oiyiACR0IvaBKlEo2HqdzPMmqY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have no clue how old they are but they are totally seized in the open >>>>> position. I've tried WD-40, a heat gun and a rubber mallet but can't get >>>>> them to budge. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My question is should I rip these out and put in some sort of replacement >>>>> or should I just leave them. When will I ever want to close seacocks to >>>>> the cockpit drains? >>>>> >>>>> Clearly the previous owner was not in the habit of closing these. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What should I do? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> Breakaweigh >>>>> >>>>> C&C44 >>>>> >>>>> Halifax, NS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >>>>> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >>>>> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >>>>> and every one is greatly appreciated. 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