(1) should the cover be fully up when dropping the sail or eased? - I have found a medium tension that facilitates opening and catching the sail, zipping closed, and supporting the sail on the boom while zipped.
(2) what kind of extension or line do people use on the zipper car? There's a you tube video of a continuous line zipper trolley that looks good but no info on how it's rigged. - The aft end if the pack is supported by the topping lift. Lashed to the topping lift is a micro block. The forward end of the pack is supported on either side of the mast by a pad eye and a soft shackle. In the bite of the shackle is another micro block. A 1/4 inch line twice the length of the boom is routed from the zipper pull forward inside the jacks along the path of the zipper to the forward micro block, back outside the jacks along the length of the boom to the aft micro block and then inside the jacks and finished off at the zipper pull. (3) is it typical to have to "stuff" the sail into the cover before zipping? Or is my problem just a new stiff sail? - I have to work the flakes down a bit at the mast end and then pull the flakes aft to get them to lay flat. Its not so much a stuffing action but a quick straightening. And it is in no way shape or form "properly flaked". Each time the lay of the sail is probably a little different. Without the sail pack it would look disheveled but it actually prevents wear creases from forming in the repeated folds. (4) can the mast cover be left in place when sailing, dropping the sail? - I don't know what design of mast cover you have but mine cannot be left on. I suggest removing your to prevent flogging and chafe (5) is it better to let the sail drop quickly - letting go of the halyard - or easing it down? - I have my zipper pull system on the port side so we come into the wind and then just a few degrees off to port. This blows the sail to starboard. The sail is dropped quickly and is guided by the stbd jacks. This all helps prevent the zipper pull l8ne from being buried by the sail flakes. I still have to dig it out a little but not too much and it is all done as part of the before mentioned straightening up if the flakes. (6) any other helpful hints would be appreciated. - All of this operation is considerably facilitated by the jacks being attached to the second spreader (higher gets jack support further aft) and about 12 - 18 inches away from the mast (wider gets the mouth open). Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Thu, May 17, 2018, 10:28 AM Tony Wroblewski via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I am new to the stack pack family - just installed this week. Ours is > a Doyle Cradle Cover (Doyle Stack Pack not attached to the sail). Mast had > a Tides track. The sail is also new a North 3Di and very stiff. I could > use any tips on handling this system because I'm having trouble getting the > sail into the cover enough to zip it up. Zipper and top of cover is > approx. 8' above the deck at the mast. Very hard to reach especially over > the cockpit. Have 1 step at the mast but still feel like Tarzan swinging > from a vine when putting the sail in. It would probably help if I were 7' > tall! > > Questions: > > (1) should the cover be fully up when dropping the sail or eased? > > (2) what kind of extension or line do people use on the zipper car? > There's a you tube video of a continuous line zipper trolley that looks > good but no info on how it's rigged. > > (3) is it typical to have to "stuff" the sail into the cover before > zipping? Or is my problem just a new stiff sail? > > (4) can the mast cover be left in place when sailing, dropping the sail? > > (5) is it better to let the sail drop quickly - letting go of the halyard > - or easing it down? > > (6) any other helpful hints would be appreciated. > > > thanks > > Tony > > C&C 41 C/B #96 > > Triumph > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of bwhitmore > via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:56 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* bwhitmore > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack? > > Fyi, when we are sailing, we do not remove our short cover that goes > around the mast and is zipped on both sides. The zippers are far enough > forward that chafing the sail has never concerned me. Zipping and > unzipping the stack pack has been made much easier by attaching a sail tie > to the long zipper car, as I am too short to reach up above the stack > pack. I also added two foldable aluminum mast steps so I can step up the > front of the mast enough to finish the last of the zip & tuck. I can take > photos and post them if anyone is interested. > > Bruce Whitmore > 1994 C&C 37/40+ > "Astralis" > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: 5/16/18 7:46 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Ken Heaton <kenhea...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack? > > This is what our main looks like after just dropping it, without taking > any time to zip the cover shut or to put the separate front cover on > (similar to Josh's setup). > > > https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vcTap2SToF8/WlARaGxmTCI/AAAAAAABqLU/8OJ_WtmY6JkgY7o6zOjQfjyXcRM2G92mACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_2574%2BSalazar.jpg > > This is what it looks like zipped up and with the front cover on as well: > > > https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U-z3eISLNhQ/WlAUw3PY9WI/AAAAAAABqMY/te2nqCik-GUjlHJoZvQPfRKgWtKgWLoqwCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/20130811_Salazar%2Bat%2BBen%2BEoin%2BMarina_0030.JPG > > Ken H. > > On 16 May 2018 at 20:04, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > I have a sail pack custom made by my sail maker - Clark McKinney at > Quantum Sails in Solomons, MD. It makes packing the sail quite simple but > be warned, the boom height can still make zipping the pack and flaking down > the sail a bit awkward. I shopped around to various sail makers and off > the shelf products and finally decided on the customizations afforded by > using a local canvas maker. Had I done it myself with the existing lazy > jacks my lead would have come off the mast too low and too narrow. I have > a tides marine strong track with 5 battons so the stack height had to be > carefully accounted for. > > I was also involved with the design of the forward part of the pack > cover. Some have a large flap that wraps around the front of the mast and > zips into the opposite side. I didn't like the unanswerable question of > what happens to this flap during the sail? Another design option (better > but not great) is to have the flap unzip on both sides of the pack allowing > it to be removed completely during sail use. I was concerned about > potential chafe of the zippers on the sail and mast. The sail maker took > my suggestion and built a short sail cover. It works like a normal cover > and goes on top of the closed sail pack, its just short. It extends about > 2 or 3 feet down the boom. It finishes off and protects the leading edge > of the pack and sail and also protects the head board of the sail. > > Since then the same sailmaker has further experimented and has developed a > schrunchie elasticated area that automatically closes the leading edge of > the pack with no other action required by the user. > > Get with me off list and I can provide pictures, costs, and contact info. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > > On Wed, May 16, 2018, 2:10 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Listers, > > Has anyone installed a Stack Pack ( > http://www.doylesails.com/stackpack/index.html) or similar? Pros? Cons? > > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island, NY > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. 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