I replaced my lead acid batteries with AGM batteries. Two 6 volt batteries in series for my house bank, and one 12 volt for my starting battery. I also replaced my 35 amp alternator with a Balmar (I think 120 amp) with external regulator. My engine is a Yanmar 3gmf, twenty hp, and I have not had a problem with being under powered because of the higher rated alternator. When an alternator is rated at 120 amps, it doesn't mean that it is always pumping out 120 amps. That's the maximum it can put out based on the load. The load determines how much current is drawn. I have refrigeration, and I have replaced all of my lights (cabin and running lights) with LED bulbs.
Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I talked to a Nova-Cool rep at one time who said that typically a 100w > solar panel could keep one of their 12v refrigerator system operating > indefinitely. There are too many variables to say this absolutely but lets > assume the rep was right. The Nova-Cool system is based on a Danfoss > compressor which is pretty ubiquitous, has plenty of parts and service > knowledge. I have and Alder-Barbor system which is based on the Danfoss > compressor. I'm quite satisfied and would recommend that you consider a > Danfoss unit. > > Lets consider some hypothetical numbers based on the rep's info. If a > 100w panel were %100 effective and operated for 8 hours, you would get > 800w-hrs of power per day. 800w divided by 12v = 67amp-hrs. 67 divided by > 24hrs = 2.8amps current draw on average. > > That kinda gives you a ball park for what type of loads you'll be facing. > Round up to 5amps/hr if you like for margin. 5 *24=120AHr per day. A > typical automotive size lead-acid battery has ~100AHrs capacity and you > don't want to discharge below 50% so a minimum of 2 batteries in parallel > (200AHr) would be required as your house battery bank to run only your > refrigerator 24 hours a day with only a 100w solar panel. If you are not > on the boat you probably don't need the fridge on so the solar would keep > the batteries topped up and if you are on board then you are probably > starting the engine to at least get in and out of port (or on and off the > hook). > > Lets assume that you run the engine a cumulative total of 1 hour per day > and you have a minimum size alternator of 35 amps. Lets also assume that > it is putting out the full 35amps during the entire hour (it doesn't > because output current is based on engine rpm). Lets also assume that the > charging efficiency of the batteries is 100%. You can see pretty quickly > that 35amps per day is not going to keep up with the 120amp (or even the > 67amp) per day load of your refrigerator. So now you have options, run the > engine longer or get a larger alternator. > > You have to be careful that the alternator charge current is not going to > exceed the charge rate for the type of battery which you have. Lead acid = > 25% of capacity. Gel = 30%, and AGM = 40%. So if you have 2 auto style > AGM batteries at ~100 amps each then your bank is 200AHrs and you should > limit your max charging current to 80amps. At 80 amps and 1 hour of run > time per day you're getting closer to being able to keep up with the needs > of your refrigerator. > > AGM does not NEED to be charged at a higher rate but it CAN be. AGM does > need to be charged at a slightly different voltage profile otherwise > gassing can occur and since it is AGM once the gas is gone it can't be put > back in. Even with a higher capacity alternator you will still need an > external voltage regulator which would allow you to select the AGM > profile. Almost all battery chargers, alternators and solar controlers > will charge a lead-acid (as a base model or by default) and if gassing > occurs you can and should replace it by watering. If you have room I > suggest increasing your bank to the largest available lead-acid > configuration and sizing the charging equipment as applicable. IMO You'll > get more bang for your buck and save yourself a bunch of other > complications. > > Obviously there are a lot of variables but you should be able to apply > your own needs and expected usage. As a point of reference I have ~450Ahr > on bank 1 and ~200AHr on bank 2. I have 200w solar and a 90amp > alternator. I've been able to go on multi week trips and have never pulled > into port because of a need for shore power or ice. In my case water is > the first limiting necessity (I have ~70 gallons) followed in the far > distance by a need to pump my holding tank (~150 flushes). > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > On Oct 14, 2017 11:50 AM, "DON JONSSON via CnC-List" < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I previously lamented engine problems on my 1982 C&C 34. I had the >> original Yanmar 3GMD. The problem was leaking oil from the intake manifold >> caused by serious blow back. There is also a transmission problem, where >> it doesn't always go into gear. >> >> So the decision has been made to put a new engine in, and as someone >> mentioned over capitalize the boat. But we sail to the outside of >> Vancouver Island and up north to where engine problems would be a super >> pain. (Soon I will post information about the engine and extra parts in >> case anyone is interested. It has an almost brand new exhaust riser on it >> built by Gartside.) >> >> The old engine is out and we are now sound insulating the engine >> compartment. >> >> The boat currently has an ice box but putting in refrigeration is high on >> the list. Getting ice rapidly becomes a challenge as you head off. This >> would imply more battery power and an alternator to keep it going. We are >> looking at a Beta 25 for which you can get a 75 or 120 amp alternator. >> Because of limited battery space I'm thinking of using AGM batteries which >> you can suck more amps out of. >> >> Has anyone got some words of wisdom and/or experience with this? >> Including what is the minimum amount of available amp hours you need? The >> water is cold up here and it usually doesn't get too hot. It seems with >> AGM batteries you need a fair bit more charging capability. >> >> Although the refrigeration project is a little further off I don't want >> to but too small of an alternator now. >> >> Thanks >> Don Jonsson >> Victoria, B.C. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up >> again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a >> small contribution to help keep this list running. 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