Don’t lose sight of the fact that you are going to need to provide a survey to your insurance company after you purchase the boat. In some cases, if it is an older boat for example, you could get by with an in water condition and value (C&V) survey costing under $500. Essentially that is like a home appraisal. But if the boat is newer and of higher value you are quite likely to need an out of water survey for the insurance. That is much more analogous to a home inspection and spells out what corrections are needed.
If you are buying the boat and getting the survey done, make sure you pay for the survey and sea trial so you have a current survey for insurance purposes. A “recent” survey paid for by the seller may not be sufficient. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 10:24 AM To: C&C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question I kinda felt the same as you but regarding the survey. Why doesn't the owner buy and provide a survey? Wouldn't it make a buyer more likely to get a contact? I guess there is concern that a survey purchased by the owner can't be %100 objective. The haul and launch fees I do understand kinda. A lot of boats that have been left/abandoned for the marina to sell will be on the hard. I kinda prefer a boat on the hard to one on the water so that I can do a cursory inspection before I go under contract. The alternative is a boat on the water with an active owner who can take you out for a sail and show you around before you go under contract. Either way the boat is expected to be hauled and launched (or launched and then hauled). It is hard to expect the owner to pay for the haul and launch each time a new buyer comes to look. By the same token you get a contract so that your investments in the sale can't be lost buy the seller selling the boat out from underneath you. IMO the best scenario is an active seller with the boat in the water who is willing to take you for a sail prior to going under contract. Get him to show you everything. Feel good about the boat and then get the contract. An active owner might even split the cost of the haul. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2015 8:23 AM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: HI Kurt, I think it becoming obvious to me that my ability to ask a concise question is, well...questionable! LOL Anyway, It had more to do with the responsibily of who should pay for the cleaning of sais fouled bottom, not so much whether ot not is should be done. Of course you cannot inspect a fouled bottom. My point is more about why would a seller not want the boat in as good a working order as possible. This would, in fact, make the survey go faster and smoother and give everyone involved a better more positive experience. After all, there is a level of subjectivity involved and that is a matter of perspective, observation and ease of doing the task at hand. So, my point being, and again this is my limited experience with my own boat shopping for 2 different boats, why do sellers not spend just a little extra, effort, maybe even a little money so that their boats survey as best they can? I've found now that it is common for the potential buyer to not only go out of pocket, on speculation, for not only the survey and haul-out, but also, the power-washing of the bottom. Initially I was thinking that, the haul-out would be a couple hundred and then the wash would be another $150 or so... It not so much the dollar value but the principle I question. It kind of goes along with the theory that "the seller pays the broker fees..." While that may be true, that value is figured into the price, and the buyer is the one with the money that ultimately pays those fees. No buyer, no fees paid... It's ridiculous to separate any fee in a sale from the source of the funds that pay the fee! LOL Oh Geeze this may now open another can of worms... Thanks again though for the insights and responses to what is now view by me as "a stupid question..." Not so much for my ignorance in needing to ask it but, in my inability to articulate it. Danny ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Kurt Heckert <kurt_heck...@att.net <mailto:kurt_heck...@att.net> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> , cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: djhaug...@juno.com <mailto:djhaug...@juno.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:07:06 -0700 It is common, the bottom needs cleaning on haul out or you are trying to exam a fouled bottom. _____ From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >; To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >; Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com <mailto:djhaug...@juno.com> >; Subject: Stus-List Survey Question Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2015 1:36:17 AM Hi Guys, Okay so I've got a survey with haulout scheduled for this coming Saturday. during my conversation with the surveryor, he brought to light an interesting point. I had asked if he would be doing the sea trial before or after haul out and he said that it would be better to do it after because if the bottom were fouled, we wouldn't bet a good sea trial. He said if haul first and it is then we could get it cleaned, and I asked "so, we could clean it?" he said well you should talk to the broker. So I did and he said it common practice for the boat to be powerwashed on a haul out. I asked who would pay for that? He said I would be responsible for that. I said so, if this thing fails inspection, I'll paying for the owners powerwashing? He said that it was common... I'm thinking what $4 a foot to wash it, then haul it... I knew I had to pay for a haulout, but ... is that really common to be on the hook for a power washing? I mean it is what it is I've just never seen this conversation come up before... 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