When we bought our boat in March 2006, I was in Halifax, Nova Scotia and
the boat was in Racine, Wisconsin......there was no way I was traveling
there to view it so I had to rely on a survey.
I asked the seller's broker if he could recommend a local
surveyor......he flatly refused....he said he did no think it wise for
me to rely on a survey provided by the 'seller's broker' for all the
obvious reasons. After I thought about it, I quickly understood what he
was trying to say. With me choosing my own surveyor, I could not cry
foul or collusion should something arise later on.
The seller had a recent survey which he shared with me but nevertheless
I hired my own surveyor, who as it turned out, was a former US naval
officer, marine architect, older than dirt that could pick pepper out of
fly s--t!
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32- 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2015-08-26 11:24 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote
I kinda felt the same as you but regarding the survey. Why doesn't
the owner buy and provide a survey? Wouldn't it make a buyer more
likely to get a contact? I guess there is concern that a survey
purchased by the owner can't be %100 objective.
The haul and launch fees I do understand kinda. A lot of boats that
have been left/abandoned for the marina to sell will be on the hard.
I kinda prefer a boat on the hard to one on the water so that I can do
a cursory inspection before I go under contract. The alternative is a
boat on the water with an active owner who can take you out for a sail
and show you around before you go under contract. Either way the boat
is expected to be hauled and launched (or launched and then hauled).
It is hard to expect the owner to pay for the haul and launch each
time a new buyer comes to look.
By the same token you get a contract so that your investments in the
sale can't be lost buy the seller selling the boat out from underneath
you.
IMO the best scenario is an active seller with the boat in the water
who is willing to take you for a sail prior to going under contract.
Get him to show you everything. Feel good about the boat and then get
the contract. An active owner might even split the cost of the haul.
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Aug 26, 2015 8:23 AM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List"
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
HI Kurt,
I think it becoming obvious to me that my ability to ask a concise
question is, well...questionable! LOL
Anyway, It had more to do with the responsibily of who should pay
for the cleaning of sais fouled bottom, not so much whether ot not
is should be done. Of course you cannot inspect a fouled bottom.
My point is more about why would a seller not want the boat in as
good a working order as possible. This would, in fact, make the
survey go faster and smoother and give everyone involved a better
more positive experience. After all, there is a level of
subjectivity involved and that is a matter of perspective,
observation and ease of doing the task at hand. So, my point
being, and again this is my limited experience with my own boat
shopping for 2 different boats, why do sellers not spend just a
little extra, effort, maybe even a little money so that their
boats survey as best they can?
I've found now that it is common for the potential buyer to not
only go out of pocket, on speculation, for not only the survey and
haul-out, but also, the power-washing of the bottom. Initially I
was thinking that, the haul-out would be a couple hundred and then
the wash would be another $150 or so... It not so much the dollar
value but the principle I question.
It kind of goes along with the theory that "the seller pays the
broker fees..." While that may be true, that value is figured
into the price, and the buyer is the one with the money that
ultimately pays those fees. No buyer, no fees paid... It's
ridiculous to separate any fee in a sale from the source of the
funds that pay the fee! LOL
Oh Geeze this may now open another can of worms...
Thanks again though for the insights and responses to what is now
view by me as "a stupid question..." Not so much for my ignorance
in needing to ask it but, in my inability to articulate it.
Danny
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Kurt Heckert <kurt_heck...@att.net
<mailto:kurt_heck...@att.net>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>,
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Cc: djhaug...@juno.com <mailto:djhaug...@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:07:06 -0700
It is common, the bottom needs cleaning on haul out or you are
trying to exam a fouled bottom.
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*From: * Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>;
*To: * <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>;
*Cc: * Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com
<mailto:djhaug...@juno.com>>;
*Subject: * Stus-List Survey Question
*Sent: * Wed, Aug 26, 2015 1:36:17 AM
Hi Guys,
Okay so I've got a survey with haulout scheduled for this coming
Saturday. during my conversation with the surveryor, he brought
to light an interesting point. I had asked if he would be doing
the sea trial before or after haul out and he said that it would
be better to do it after because if the bottom were fouled, we
wouldn't bet a good sea trial. He said if haul first and it is
then we could get it cleaned, and I asked "so, we could clean it?"
he said well you should talk to the broker. So I did and he said
it common practice for the boat to be powerwashed on a haul out.
I asked who would pay for that? He said I would be responsible
for that. I said so, if this thing fails inspection, I'll paying
for the owners powerwashing? He said that it was common...
I'm thinking what $4 a foot to wash it, then haul it... I knew I
had to pay for a haulout, but ... is that really common to be on
the hook for a power washing? I mean it is what it is I've just
never seen this conversation come up before...
Danny
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