When we were looking for our current boat I hired surveyors each time and paid
for the haulout and launch (not necessarily in that order). Each time it was
around $600 or more and I have to say that this was some of the best spent
money in the process. The first surveyor called me 10 min after getting off the
boat and told me to “run as quickly and as far as you can”. I liked that boat,
not to mention that it was much closer (1500 km vs. 3500 km for the next on the
list), But I did not buy it. Later on when we connected for a longer discussion
he told me that he stopped counting blisters after around 150 (big ones). I
hired another surveyor (another $700 or so) for the second boat and he called
me all giddy about how good the boat was. I took his word for it and I bought
it. The first $600 saved me probably $3500 (or more) for the full bottom job.
The second inspection did not save me anything other than the peace of mind. It
was worth it.
The survey is like insurance. You wish you won’t need it, but if you do, you
are glad that you did.
Btw. Boy, I am glad that I bought that boat three years ago. If I were to do it
this time, it would have been 30% more (on exchange rates). Does this mean that
my boat appreciated around 10% annually (;-)?
Marek
C270, “Legato”
Ottawa, ON
From: robert via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 10:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Survey Question
When we bought our boat in March 2006, I was in Halifax, Nova Scotia and the
boat was in Racine, Wisconsin......there was no way I was traveling there to
view it so I had to rely on a survey.
I asked the seller's broker if he could recommend a local surveyor......he
flatly refused....he said he did no think it wise for me to rely on a survey
provided by the 'seller's broker' for all the obvious reasons. After I thought
about it, I quickly understood what he was trying to say. With me choosing my
own surveyor, I could not cry foul or collusion should something arise later
on.
The seller had a recent survey which he shared with me but nevertheless I hired
my own surveyor, who as it turned out, was a former US naval officer, marine
architect, older than dirt that could pick pepper out of fly s--t!
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32- 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2015-08-26 11:24 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote
I kinda felt the same as you but regarding the survey. Why doesn't the owner
buy and provide a survey? Wouldn't it make a buyer more likely to get a
contact? I guess there is concern that a survey purchased by the owner can't
be %100 objective.
The haul and launch fees I do understand kinda. A lot of boats that have
been left/abandoned for the marina to sell will be on the hard. I kinda prefer
a boat on the hard to one on the water so that I can do a cursory inspection
before I go under contract. The alternative is a boat on the water with an
active owner who can take you out for a sail and show you around before you go
under contract. Either way the boat is expected to be hauled and launched (or
launched and then hauled). It is hard to expect the owner to pay for the haul
and launch each time a new buyer comes to look.
By the same token you get a contract so that your investments in the sale
can't be lost buy the seller selling the boat out from underneath you.
IMO the best scenario is an active seller with the boat in the water who is
willing to take you for a sail prior to going under contract. Get him to show
you everything. Feel good about the boat and then get the contract. An active
owner might even split the cost of the haul.
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Aug 26, 2015 8:23 AM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:
HI Kurt,
I think it becoming obvious to me that my ability to ask a concise question
is, well...questionable! LOL
Anyway, It had more to do with the responsibily of who should pay for the
cleaning of sais fouled bottom, not so much whether ot not is should be done.
Of course you cannot inspect a fouled bottom.
My point is more about why would a seller not want the boat in as good a
working order as possible. This would, in fact, make the survey go faster and
smoother and give everyone involved a better more positive experience. After
all, there is a level of subjectivity involved and that is a matter of
perspective, observation and ease of doing the task at hand. So, my point
being, and again this is my limited experience with my own boat shopping for 2
different boats, why do sellers not spend just a little extra, effort, maybe
even a little money so that their boats survey as best they can?
I've found now that it is common for the potential buyer to not only go out
of pocket, on speculation, for not only the survey and haul-out, but also, the
power-washing of the bottom. Initially I was thinking that, the haul-out would
be a couple hundred and then the wash would be another $150 or so... It not so
much the dollar value but the principle I question.
It kind of goes along with the theory that "the seller pays the broker
fees..." While that may be true, that value is figured into the price, and the
buyer is the one with the money that ultimately pays those fees. No buyer, no
fees paid... It's ridiculous to separate any fee in a sale from the source of
the funds that pay the fee! LOL
Oh Geeze this may now open another can of worms...
Thanks again though for the insights and responses to what is now view by
me as "a stupid question..." Not so much for my ignorance in needing to ask it
but, in my inability to articulate it.
Danny
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Kurt Heckert <kurt_heck...@att.net>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: djhaug...@juno.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:07:06 -0700
It is common, the bottom needs cleaning on haul out or you are trying
to exam a fouled bottom.
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From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>;
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>;
Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com>;
Subject: Stus-List Survey Question
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2015 1:36:17 AM
Hi Guys,
Okay so I've got a survey with haulout scheduled for this coming
Saturday. during my conversation with the surveryor, he brought to light an
interesting point. I had asked if he would be doing the sea trial before or
after haul out and he said that it would be better to do it after because if
the bottom were fouled, we wouldn't bet a good sea trial. He said if haul
first and it is then we could get it cleaned, and I asked "so, we could clean
it?" he said well you should talk to the broker. So I did and he said it
common practice for the boat to be powerwashed on a haul out. I asked who
would pay for that? He said I would be responsible for that. I said so, if
this thing fails inspection, I'll paying for the owners powerwashing? He said
that it was common...
I'm thinking what $4 a foot to wash it, then haul it... I knew I had
to pay for a haulout, but ... is that really common to be on the hook for a
power washing? I mean it is what it is I've just never seen this conversation
come up before...
Danny
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