I do things and things are done to me ... From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:14 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Rig - crack -> terms
Russ: No worries mate.....no offense taken! I am probably just as punctilious as you are! And while you have done a commendable job nudging me back to the terminology 'through bolt' , I will probably continue to reference this piece of rigging as a 'tie bar'. >From Merriam Webster's: Definition of THROUGH BOLT : a bolt passing through all the thicknesses or layers which it binds or in which it is fixed and made fast by a nut at the end opposite the head My reluctance with using 'through bolt' in this instance is that the piece of rigging we are talking about does not have a 'head' on the opposite end......both ends are threaded. I have tried to find the actual part on Navtec's website to see what they call it but have been unsuccessful. The naming of this piece of rigging could be as tricky as the use of the words 'that vs. which' or 'I vs. me'. The good thing is that we all know what piece of rigging we are talking about. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-15 2:12 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote: Rob, I can understand your confusion with a term you are comfortable using as it was provided by a rigger you trust. My intention is not to belittle you or anybody else but to point out to everybody when I see little things start to get outta place. My assumed role is to nudge them back to goodness again. You might have noticed I deleted all reference to you in my reply to -> terms. But seriously... providing copy from a mega-store discount website is not the best tactic to dissuade me.. This is precisely how terms get misused and into the mainstream in the first place. If these guys used tie-bar instead of throughbolt & compression tubes (check the flange bushings for repair) : http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Tangs-complete/Tangs-complete.htm Or this British guy who is still using looped eyes and admonishing his peers for worrying if an unshouldered mast band is even practical. He references the late great Herreshof on the wonders of through-bolting. http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/articles/Gaffergear/lugs/Mastbands.PDF Then I might call, "Uncle!" My references are mostly on paper, like a library, and include favourites such as Bruce Bingham, Bob Perry & Brion Toss. I'm slowly catching up on Ted Brewer's works since he moved to a nearby island. I have a story with a trusted rigger to share. When replacing the gang on Sweet, we got the cap shrouds & forestay done (with Harken furler rehab) and set about to do the lowers. Oops, his stock didn't have the correct size. "No problem." he says, "I'll upgrade you, up one size at no cost." "No thanks." says I, "When will the right size be here?" You see, a rigging wire too big is no better than a rigging wire too small and my trusted professional couldn't see that because he works for a living and in this case it probably would not have made any difference and most customers would appreciate getting a more expensive product for the same price even if it didn't do the job as well. Humans are kinda funny in a way. That's probably enough for now, unless someone wishes to get me started on the oxymoron cutter-ketch. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 Vancouver Island At 07:06 PM 14/05/2015, you wrote: Russ: I too like to use the appropriate nautical term. When we put the standing rigging together for the first time after purchasing the boat, we discovered the top 'aluminum 'through-bolt, 'stud' or 'tie bar' as the rigger from North Sails called it was approx. half worn through by the wire from the main halyard. This yacht shop in the below website advertises what we are talking about as a 'TIE BAR' and "threaded at 12mm at both ends"....pic is not of a 'tie bar' obviously. http://www.marinemegastore.com/product-TIE-BAR-UNI_533100.htm And yes, we have the compression tube inside the mast .....we used the original one with a new SS piece of metal, whatever it is called, to hold the tangs together. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S On 2015-05-14 3:01 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote: A little term bitchin' here. The threaded thingy that goes inside the mast to hold the tangs tight is a called through-bolt (even though in most cases it is a stud) not a tie-bar. And it goes inside a compression tube so it can be properly tightened without deflecting the mast sides towards each other. The compression tube was especially important in wooden masts to prevent movement and elongation of holes. I may be pissin in the wind here and I concede most people use the term salon instead of saloon, but I endeavour to preserve to use of as many other old terms as I can. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 Vancouver Island At 07:24 AM 14/05/2015, you wrote: Mike et al: ....the most difficult one is getting the cap shroud in its tang and then screw the tang into the tie bar inside the mast.....the shroud and the tang have to rotate as one. _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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