Russ:
No worries mate.....no offense taken! I am probably just as punctilious
as you are!
And while you have done a commendable job nudging me back to the
terminology 'through bolt' , I will probably continue to reference this
piece of rigging as a 'tie bar'.
From Merriam Webster's:
Definition of /THROUGH BOLT/
*: a bolt passing through all the thicknesses or layers which it binds
or in which it is fixed and made fast by a nut at the end opposite _the
head_*
My reluctance with using 'through bolt' in this instance is that the
piece of rigging we are talking about does not have a 'head' on the
opposite end......both ends are threaded.
I have tried to find the actual part on Navtec's website to see what
they call it but have been unsuccessful.
The naming of this piece of rigging could be as tricky as the use of the
words 'that vs. which' or 'I vs. me'. The good thing is that we all
know what piece of rigging we are talking about.
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2015-05-15 2:12 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote:
Rob,
I can understand your confusion with a term you are comfortable using
as it was provided by a rigger you trust. My intention is not to
belittle you or anybody else but to point out to everybody when I see
little things start to get outta place. My assumed role is to nudge
them back to goodness again.
You might have noticed I deleted all reference to you in my reply to
-> terms.
But seriously... providing copy from a mega-store discount website is
not the best tactic to dissuade me.. This is precisely how terms get
misused and into the mainstream in the first place.
If these guys used tie-bar instead of throughbolt & compression tubes
(check the flange bushings for repair) :
http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Tangs-complete/Tangs-complete.htm
Or this British guy who is still using looped eyes and admonishing his
peers for worrying if an unshouldered mast band is even practical. He
references the late great Herreshof on the wonders of through-bolting.
http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/articles/Gaffergear/lugs/Mastbands.PDF
Then I might call, "Uncle!"
My references are mostly on paper, like a library, and include
favourites such as Bruce Bingham, Bob Perry & Brion Toss. I'm slowly
catching up on Ted Brewer's works since he moved to a nearby island.
I have a story with a trusted rigger to share.
When replacing the gang on /Sweet/, we got the cap shrouds & forestay
done (with Harken furler rehab) and set about to do the lowers. Oops,
his stock didn't have the correct size. "No problem." he says, "I'll
upgrade you, up one size at no cost."
"No thanks." says I, "When will the right size be here?"
You see, a rigging wire too big is no better than a rigging wire too
small and my trusted professional couldn't see that because he works
for a living and in this case it probably would not have made any
difference and most customers would appreciate getting a more
expensive product for the same price even if it didn't do the job as well.
Humans are kinda funny in a way.
That's probably enough for now, unless someone wishes to get me
started on the oxymoron cutter-ketch.
Cheers, Russ
/Sweet /35 mk-1
Vancouver Island
At 07:06 PM 14/05/2015, you wrote:
Russ:
I too like to use the appropriate nautical term. When we put the
standing rigging together for the first time after purchasing the
boat, we discovered the top 'aluminum 'through-bolt, 'stud' or 'tie
bar' as the rigger from North Sails called it was approx. half worn
through by the wire from the main halyard.
This yacht shop in the below website advertises what we are talking
about as a 'TIE BAR' and "threaded at 12mm at both ends"....pic is
not of a 'tie bar' obviously.
http://www.marinemegastore.com/product-TIE-BAR-UNI_533100.htm
<http://www.marinemegastore.com/product-TIE-BAR-UNI_533100.htm>
And yes, we have the compression tube inside the mast .....we used
the original one with a new SS piece of metal, whatever it is called,
to hold the tangs together.
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S
On 2015-05-14 3:01 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote:
A little term bitchin' here.
The threaded thingy that goes inside the mast to hold the tangs
tight is a called through-bolt (even though in most cases it is a
stud) not a tie-bar. And it goes inside a compression tube so it can
be properly tightened without deflecting the mast sides towards each
other. The compression tube was especially important in wooden masts
to prevent movement and elongation of holes.
I may be pissin in the wind here and I concede most people use the
term salon instead of saloon, but I endeavour to preserve to use of
as many other old terms as I can.
Cheers, Russ
/Sweet /35 mk-1
Vancouver Island
At 07:24 AM 14/05/2015, you wrote:
Mike et al:
....the most difficult one is getting the cap shroud in its tang
and then screw the tang into the tie bar inside the mast.....the
shroud and the tang have to rotate as one.
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