Hi Burt,

My Barients are original non-sailing. I removed the jam cleats years ago during a cockpit reno and never got around to putting them back on. I find after mostly trimming if I put on a couple extra wraps (to maybe 5) and take in a bit more for final trim the sheet stays put quite nicely. The winch is designed for the wraps to ride up and lock into the top flange. If I'm on the tack for some time I might throw on a tugboat (bollard) hitch for piece o' mind.
http://www.animatedknots.com/lightermans/

Another option:
http://www.winchmate.com/

There is yet another inexpensive option that I cannot find. A rubber-like ring with self tailing locking ribs that fit over the top flange the winch. It was made in Sweden or UK, popular in the '80s... might be called grip mate or something like that.

        Cheers, Russ
        Sweet 35 mk-1



At 08:06 AM 21/02/2015, you wrote:

I just figured out what a self-tailing winch is! I always thought my jam cleats made them self-tailing.

Yeah I am that much of a novice to sailing boats bigger than knockabouts. It seems to me that they would be most useful when racing or single or short handing. My assumption is that they remove the need for someone to keep pressure on the sheet (or whatever you are winching) behind the winch thus allowing a one hand operation (or one person operation on larger winches). Does that remove the need for jam cleats behind the winches?

This is just for my knowledge. Based on the cost I have seen for new self-tailing winches I have suddenly become satisfied with my non tailing winches….for now.

My plan is to take them off the boat and bring them to my shop to clean and lubricate them. I’m a pretty decent mechanic. May I assume that disassembling them is a relatively simple process?

Burt

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List
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Self tailers are king. Racing w them is worth getting used to. Our boat came w 4 self tailers and 2 non. The non-self tailers are primary winches we use only when we have crew for racing. These winches require two guys, one cranking and one tailing. I added big jam cleats to speed up the release and trim. If I replace them, they will be self tailers from Anderson probaby. Otherwise, I may remove them completely and rely on the four self tailing winches.


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

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