;-)  changing a DC voltage to an other DC voltage involves going to AC...

It just gets done at a high frequency and the transformers are a lot smaller 
than at 60 Hz.  There is some form of inductance and AC involved in all of the 
DC voltage changers.

It is true that generating 60 Hz semi sine-wave is rather inefficient, lot of 
internal losses.  The DC to DC converters are working with 'ugly' waveforms at 
MHz frequency so they can be quite quite efficient, approaching 97% at optimal 
load.

Leslie.
Phoenix, C&C 32.

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On Wed, 2/19/14, Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Wiring an inverter
 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 9:51 AM
 
 As an
 aside, charging tablets and phones doesn't necessarily
 require an inverter. One could go with something like
 
this:http://ca.binnacle.com/p8953/BLUE-SEA-1016-DUAL-USB-CHARGER-2-SOCKET-5V-2.1AMP/product_info.html
 
 
 Phones and tablets
 are DC, why convert and convert again?
 I'm looking into DC power
 supplies for the laptop as well. So far we haven't need
 AC but I do have a portable inverter on board just in
 case.
 
 I charge my tablet and
 phone off of the car stereo I installed at the nav station
 (it has a USB port). I'm considering that Blue Sea unit
 just as a nice to have but the project list is long with
 higher priorities.
 
 SteveSuhana,
 C&C 32Toronto
 
 On Wed,
 Feb 19, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
 wrote:
 
 I
 used to have rolls of 2/0 gauge wire for hooking up
 batteries and inverters. We did a lot of 1500 watt units and
 a few 2500 and 3000 watt versions.
 
 
 I would suggest most boats carry two of them. 1000 watt
 units are cheap enough now at Worst Marine for heavy loads
 like shop vacs and other tools. Then get a second small
 inverter, say about 100-150 watts, for device charging
 needs. Large inverters are not efficient when powering tiny
 loads.
 
 
 
 
 Joe Della Barba
 
 Coquina
 
 C&C 35 MK
 
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
 
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
 On Behalf Of Rick Brass
 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:15 PM
 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Wiring an inverter
 
 
 
 My Admiral's hair dryer is 1875 watts on high power
 setting, so it would draw over 15 amps AC, and 170 amps DC
 to power the inverter. That needs like size 0 battery cables
 from the battery to the inverter?
 
 
 
 I just looked at the things I customarily run with my
 inverter. PC charger =
 
 1.5 amps. Cell phone charger = .5 amps. Tablet charger = .3
 amps. Portable AC fans (one of them is in the back room
 waiting to go back to the boat) =
 
 .5 amps each.
 
 
 
 The total current draw can add up pretty quickly. And as I
 said in an earlier post, providing 8 amps of AC would
 exhaust my 4 battery 460 AH house bank in less than 2 1/2
 hours.
 
 
 
 My point is: figure out what you want to power with it and
 then chose your inverter and battery bank size
 accordingly.
 
 
 
 Rick Brass
 
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
 
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
 On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe
 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:33 PM
 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Wiring an inverter
 
 
 
 When I used to be in that business we divided the AC panel
 into "inverter"
 
 and "non-inverter" sections to keep things like
 water heaters and battery chargers from running from the
 inverter. And no - you can't use a battery charger and
 an inverter to make a perpetual motion machine. Prime reason
 for inverter purchases back in the day used to be for hair
 dryers and blenders.
 
 
 Everyone wanted battery powered air conditioning, but few
 boats have the room for enough batteries to support it.
 
 
 
 Joe Della Barba
 
 Coquina
 
 C&C 35 MK I
 
 
 
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