Hi Mike, those are pretty accurate comments, I would not take them as a rant.
In the CS30 fleet I see a mix of "traditional" and "upgraded" boats. I take the traditional boats as having the original rigging, dacron sails and standard double braid lines. The upgraded boats are sporting new technology sails, such as tape drive or string, new deck layouts, spectra type lines and things like carbon fiber spin poles. My comment, poorly explained, was that the traditional boats even in good conditions will find a 147 NFS rating "aggressive". Maybe not the best word for it. I was trying to in a friendly way to caution a new owner that work ( upgrades ) may be required to be competitive in a CS30 fleet. The CS30s I race against, Synchronicity - S'fida - Uncorked, in things like the LOSHRS look like they have done well with the upgrades. The CS30 design seems to be pretty good and responds well to the new go fast stuff. These are the boats that are sailing to a 147 NFS rating. Your other comment about the "fudge factor" is an interesting discussion. I am the PHRF handicapper at The National Yacht Club in Toronto. We invite PHRF boats from other clubs to join us, so have about 100 boats in PHRF that could compete in weeknight racing. So far there is no mechanism defined well in PHRF to address the "traditional" vs "upgraded" split. It would be nice to offer a modified rating to someone that mainly cruises and may not justify the cost of upgrading their sail plan, but otherwise has a boat in good condition and well crewed. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 Message: 8 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 10:39:44 -0400 From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List CS 30 PHRF rating - Was: New boat - CS30 Message-ID: <4cdebb6b0f16c541ba8f985b72705d541764f...@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "The CS30s that are in good condition and raced well can sail to a 147 rating." Michael PHRF handicaps are set to measure the boats that are sailed and prepped well". They are not set for boats that are not in good condition, are not prepped well and not sailed well. Those boats are expeceted to and deserve to lose unless club handicaps have some sort of fidge factor in place for new sailors etc ... Sorry for the rant but your description of a boat that can win with aggresive rating of 147 is exactly what handicapping is supposed to be all about. Handicap boat model not individual yacht or crew. Mike ________________________________ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael Brown Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:41 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CS 30 PHRF rating - Was: New boat - CS30 > I have an old PHRF NE rating for the CS 30 @ 150, compared to the C&C 30 > rating of 174, which gives you some idea of comparative. PHRF-LO for 2013: CS30 standard keel : 147 FS, 168 NFS CS30 shoal draft : 153 FS, 174 NFS CS30 wing keel : 153 FS, 174 NFS I have raced a C&C 30-1 against the CS30, both in the typical 1 mile legs windward leeward venue and on long distance races. The 147 FS rating is pretty aggressive for most CS30s The CS30s that are in good condition and raced well can sail to a 147 rating. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1
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