Brent,
This is from the criminal code, as quoted on the Canadian Border
Services Agency web page.
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d19/d19-13-2-eng.html#a4x3
Prohibited weapons
18. In order for a good to be classified as a prohibited weapon, it must fall
within the Criminal Code definition of "prohibited
weapon". Only those weapons may be classified under TI 9898.00.00.
19. Not all weapons are necessarily prohibited. Any weapon that is not
specifically prohibited by law will generally be
admissible. If a weapon does not meet one or more of the definitions contained
in the list of prohibited weapons, please consult
the "Other weapons" section below.
20. The definition of prohibited weapon has two components: 1) "Paragraph (a)"
weapons, being automatic, centrifugal, or gravity
knives; and 2) "Paragraph (b)" weapons, being those laid out explicitly in the
Criminal Code subsection 84(1) Regulations, Part 3.
Section 84(1) of the Criminal Code states that a prohibited weapon is:
a.. (a) a knife that has a blade that opens automatically by gravity or
centrifugal force or by hand pressure applied to a
button, spring, or other device in or attached to the handle of the knife; or
b.. (b) any weapon, other than a firearm, that is prescribed to be a
prohibited weapon.
"Paragraph (a)" weapons
21. Weapons that fall under paragraph (a) include the following:
a.. (a) Automatic knife (switchblade) - An automatic knife that houses a
blade that will open automatically by hand pressure
applied to a lever or button in or attached to the handle (but not on the
blade) of the knife. The blade is released by pressure
on the lever or button, and opens with the assistance of an internal spring or
mechanism.
b.. (b) Centrifugal knife (folding knife, butterfly knife, balisong knife) -
A centrifugal knife is one that opens automatically
through the use of centrifugal force. Centrifugal force may be defined as a
force, arising from the body's inertia, which appears
to act on a body moving in a circular path and is directed away from the centre
around which the body is moving. That is,
centrifugal force is established when the blade of the knife may be opened with
the flick of the wrist. Note that extra
manipulation and a requirement for some skill to release the blade do not
prevent a knife from being a prohibited weapon. A
balisong or butterfly knife is a form of centrifugal knife with two handles
that counter-rotate around the blade such that, when
closed, the blade is concealed within grooves in the handles.
c.. (c) Gravity knife - A gravity knife is a knife which may be opened
automatically by force of gravity. The knife may be
additionally controlled by a lever or button, but typically, applying pressure
to such a device and pointing the knife downward
will result in the knife's blade releasing and locking into place.
d.. Exception: The following type of knife does not generally meet the
definition of prohibited weapon, and therefore it is not
within the purview of TI 9898.00.00. The misuse of this knife may nonetheless
be punishable under other laws.
22. Torsion bar assisted-opening knives (folding knife, speed-safe knife,
spring-assisted knife) - Folding knives that use an
internal "torsion bar" to assist in opening them with one hand. The heart of
this opening system is the torsion bar in the handle
of the knife. In order to open the knife, the user must apply manual pressure
to a thumb stud or other protrusion on the blade,
thereby overcoming the resistance of the torsion bar. After the blade is moved
partially out of the handle by this manual
pressure, the torsion bar takes over.
23. In some cases, torsion bar assisted-opening knives can be opened
automatically by gravity or centrifugal force. If this is
the case, these knives would fall within the definition of prohibited weapon,
and be prohibited under TI 9898.00.00 unless an
exemption in that tariff item applies.
End of Paragraph (a) weapons
I am still a little unclear on the definition in sub paragraph 22, but if you
can figure it out, then a torsion bar
assisted-opening knife appears to be the only one handed folding knife that is
legal. Maybe that is what you have, I don't know. I
am pretty sure that I have never seen the device they describe, and anyway, I
can't see what practical difference it makes whether
it is a torsion bar that does the opening or gravity or centrifugal force.
There is always some sort of reasoning behind law,
however murky and flawed it may be. In this case I can't figure it out. In
general, and except for whatever it is that sub
paragraph 22 means, anything that can be concealed and easily pulled out and
used as a weapon using only one hand is prohibited. A
straight hunting knife in a sheath but worn in plain sight is ok.
As I read the law and based on your description, your knife, because it can be
opened the rest of the way with gravity or a "flick
of the wrist", is in the prohibited weapon category as described in sub
paragraph 23 even if it is a torsion bar type knife.
I haven't figured out a good way to keep my handheld VHF clipped on yet. I have
a Standard Horizon and have nearly lost it twice
now because the "button thingy" that holds the belt clip keeps coming unscrewed.
Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
-----Original Message-----
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Brent Driedger
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 11:43 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List safety tethers
Hey Steve, I'm wondering about your information regarding one handed folding
knives in Canada.
I have several in fact it's all I buy. Is the limitation more to do with spring
loaded style jack knives? By one handed operation
I refer to the type that have a pin on the blade that you put your thumb
against and rotate to open with no preloaded assistance.
That in combo with a flick of the wrist one hand opens the blade quickly. I
keep one clipped to my harness.
My other safety for single handing is a floating VHF clipped to me as well. I
know my chances of getting back on the boat are poor
but the idea of talking to the coastguard as I watch my boat sail away from me
is comforting. I'm just not sure how far from land
I can go at water level for a clear broadcast.
Brent D
27-5
Lake Winnipeg
Sent from my iPhone
Random thoughts:
1. Industrial fall harnesses have a tether attachment at the back because a
"fall arrest" from that direction is less likely to
cause a back injury. Your spine can bend forward further than backward, at
least that is what they taught us in the working at
heights safety courses at Ford. The assumption is that you hang there until
someone comes and rescues you. I think that for marine
applications the tether attachment in front makes more sense.
2. A friend of mine actually fell overboard while in the process of lowering
a hanked-on foresail at night. He was tethered and
managed to get back on board only because the boat was plunging into the waves
so much that he was carried back up by the waves.
Conditions were such that when he returned to the cockpit, the other crew were
unaware that he been over the side. (They had come
out past a point of land and "discovered" considerably higher wind and seas
than expected. It was off either Rondeau or Point
Pelee, I forget which, on Lake Erie.)
3. Standard harnesses don't have crotch straps. They should. A harness and or
lifejacket is not much good if you slip out of it.
It is not difficult to add one using standard webbing and hardware. I was
taught this "trick" by a guy who used to train crews for
the British Telecom around the world races.
4. The GLSS (Great Lakes Singlehanded Society) that Bill Coleman provided a
link to, has done considerable work on the subject
of tethers and jack lines. It is worth taking a look at their rules, and the
video of their outboard system in action. The
question of how you might switch from one attachment point to another is not
addressed in the video. The basic idea is that you
use 2 sets of jack lines. One set is rigged central to the boat with the idea
of keeping you on board. The other set is rigged
outside of the lifelines. The outside jack line extends back to where there is
a re-boarding ladder mounted on the side, and crew
is equipped with dual tethers so that it is possible to clip on to the desired
line before unclipping from the inboard attachment
point. It is the only system I have ever seen where you actually have a
fighting chance of getting back on board unassisted.
5. One of the GLSS suggested pieces of equipment, a folding knife that can be
opened one handed, is illegal in Canada, and
visiting sailors should be aware of that fact. Possession is a criminal offence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gQbDzXAOdY&context=C3eea170ADOEgsToPDskJJp-f-bBF0SutwvJyyAoGV
http://www.solosailor.org/pdfs/Std_GLSSRequiredEquip.pdf
Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
-----Original Message-----
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 11:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List safety tethers
Tether attachment to the back is standard in industrial fall protection.
<https://www.millerfallprotection.com/fall-protection-products/body-wear/full-body-harnesses>
You can grab one on eBay for about $30. See eBay listing 280932207169.
If I went with one of these, I'd want to figure out a foolproof way to pull
the quick release on my tether. Would be difficult
reaching over my shoulder and trying to pull it.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
On Friday, October 25, 2013 9:56 PM, Ken Heaton <kenhea...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the heads up on that one Graham, that modification makes sense.
I wonder if any of the local manufacturers (say
Mustang) will licence and incorporate that in their own products?
Ken H.
On 25 October 2013 22:53, Graham Collins <cnclistforw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm hoping this will PFD / harness eventually become available / approved
in Canada, I may buy a couple in any case since I
think it is a superior solution if attached to jacklines.
http://teamomarine.com/
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11On 2013-10-25 10:00 PM, Bill Bina wrote:
Coupla minor points that could save a life: Andrew is 100% correct that
staying on the boat is far superior. If you go in
the water you are more likely to die, than not, regardless of anything else.
Not only do you need a quick release, but you need to
make sure you can release it with either hand, while suspended with your FULL
weight on the quick release. (feet not touching
anything solid)
If you do find yourself being dragged behind the boat, get on your
back. Your shoulders will plane you to get your face
out of the water more, and you will also have far less drag preventing you from
pulling your way back to the boat. Trust me when I
tell you that even Hulk Hogan would probably not be able to pull himself back
to a boat going 6 knots unless he was on his back.
If you are not Hulk Hogan, your limit is less than 4 knots.
One friend of mine tells students to regard water as if it was molten
lava. If you fall in, you are likely dead. That's
what the stats say.
Bill Bina
On 10/25/2013 8:00 PM, Andrew Burton wrote:
I towed a crew member behind the boat at 4 knots in each of several
harnesses. (We were in the Caribbean) In every case
the crew member would have drowned had he not released his harness from his
tether. My plan when I'm rigging jack lines is to keep
the crew on the boat. I also run them inboard of the shrouds and keep them
tight. I can't emphasize enough the importance of
having a quick release on the harness so if a crew goes over the side he can
get off the tow line before he drowns.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
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