Thanks to Mark and all other listers. Seeing that the last time was I sailed mine was in 2006, I can't say if I got wet feet from my port to port. I measured and it appears the scuppers are about 1' above the waterline and 2' apart, so would have to heel about 30 degrees plus, which is a big number.
I could go either way, so will contemplate further... Finally, want to replace the old plastic cockpit scuppers with metal, any suggestions? -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: October-14-13 8:25 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 93, Issue 43 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: C&C 33 Mkii 1985 - Bildge/Power (Derek Stanger) 2. Re: TV bracket (J.P.) 3. Re: COCKPIT DRAINS - Criss - Cross or not? (Rick Brass) 4. Re: singlehanding bigger boats (Rick Brass) 5. Re: singlehanding bigger boats (David Knecht) 6. Re: singlehanding bigger boats (Andrew Burton) 7. islandpacketrac...@gmail.com (Mike Casey) 8. Re: COCKPIT DRAINS - Criss - Cross or not? (Mark G) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:52:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek Stanger <derek.stan...@yahoo.ca> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 33 Mkii 1985 - Bildge/Power Message-ID: <1381773139.49435.yahoomail...@web124904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To all.? Thanks for the insight and consideration.? Apologies for delay in response, we've had family visiting for Cdn. Thanksgiving.? Re. sump.? Derek L, good luck on Monday with the haul out/keel drop.? I'd really appreciate it if you could advise your findings and perhaps a photo or two.? ?? I'm hoping that Graham's 2" void is the more likely scenario for both of us.? Let's stay in touch.? Re. power tripping.? Thanks for the suggestions.? I'm still at a loss.? Next time at boat, I think I'll bring my portable heater right to the box....then at least I know the problem is the boat.? I just learned the previous owner never used the shore power cockpit plug in 20+ years...so, perhaps corroded or defective. Derek On Monday, October 14, 2013 5:00:40 AM, Derek Leck <derek.l...@metzgers.com> wrote: Yes you are correct. Thanks for clarifying. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Derek Leck? : :? Account Manager METZGERS? : :? www.metzgers.com 419.861.8611 x4824? : :? fax: 419.861.3299 Get Involved! http://www.metzgers.com/social-media -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Colin Kilgour Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 33 Mkii 1985 - Bildge/Power Derek Leck - I think you're thinking of me (Colin) not Collins, no? On 10/12/13, Derek Leck <derek.l...@metzgers.com> wrote: > Yeah I was told it could be either but understand you had one of these > boats and wasn't it you who told me about you repairs to the same? > >> > > : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : > > Derek Leck? : :? Account Manager > METZGERS? : :? www.metzgers.com > 419.861.8611 x4824? : :? fax: 419.861.3299 > > Get Involved! > http://www.metzgers.com/social-media > On Oct 12, 2013, at 8:08 AM, "Graham Collins" > <cnclistforw...@hotmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hi Derek (s) >> I can tell you it is not a balsa core, the keel sump under the mast >> step is filled with a high density foam of some sort.? Still smells bad tho' >> >> Graham Collins >> Secret Plans >> C&C 35-III #11 >> >>> On 2013-10-12 8:49 AM, Derek Leck wrote: >>> What a coincidence Derek. My name is Derek and I have the exact same >>> boat and exact same problem. Apparently our boats have a defective keel >>> sump. >>> This is the area under the mast step.? What I have learned is that >>> there is a balsa wood core within the keel sump area. After years of >>> use, especially the stresses of racing, grounding etc. the >>> fiberglass structure of the keel sump becomes soft.? Now here comes >>> the part you really don't want to hear. When this sump area gets >>> weak the entire load of your rig, mast weight, stay tension, sailing >>> loads etc, are no longer dispersed. Instead, all this force is >>> directed in a very vulnerable area which is where the keel stub >>> meets the hull. When you pull the boat you will most likely find a >>> crack in your hull in this area. Just in front of the keel. This is >>> why you are getting water in the bilge. The nasty water is due to the balsa >>> wood core rotting. I know it can smell terrible! >>> >>> The fix is substantial and that exterior crack is the least of our >>> worries. ( This year will be the third attempt to? correct my issue). >>> Previous attempts were a wast of time since they were merely >>> cosmetic. As I understand the keel will need to be dropped, keel >>> sump area has to be cut out and rebuilt. The entire area beneath the >>> mast step should be reinforced with additional glass work and >>> possibly aluminum or stainless plates.? My boat comes out this >>> Monday and we'll find out exactly the extent of damages and cost to repair. >>> >>> I will keep you informed of my progress and I would like to hear >>> about yours.? Feel free to reach out to me anytime. >>> >>> Good luck! >>> >>> P.S.? Love my boat!!!!!? (When it's not leaking). >>> >>> >>> >>> : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : >>> : >>> >>> Derek Leck? : :? Account Manager >>> METZGERS? : :? www.metzgers.com<http://www.metzgers.com/> >>> 419.861.8611 x4824? : :? fax: 419.861.3299 >>> [http://www.metzgers.com/misc/EmailSig.jpg]<http://www.metzgers.com/ >>> social-media> >>> >>> On Oct 12, 2013, at 12:36 AM, "Derek Stanger" >>> <derek.stan...@yahoo.ca<mailto:derek.stan...@yahoo.ca>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello to all.? My first post. >>> >>> I'm the new owner of a previously well loved C&C 33 mkii 1985.? I'm >>> going through I think the normal new boat >>> challenges/headaches/expenses...but >>> in particular a couple that I'd like some advice on: >>> >>> 1.? Upon cleaning a really smelly,slimy bilge today (salt water, >>> Vancouver BC) I noticed water spraying into the bilge from an old >>> screw hole (low in the bilge, on forward side, used for holding bilge line). >>> It stopped spraying/dribbling after approx. 10 min (and a bit of a >>> panic).? I'm assuming the "putty" fill (as shown in the owners >>> manual) forward of the bilge wall might have voids that fill with >>> the raising water in the bilge?? When the bilge is emptied the water >>> forward has some head to it and comes back into the bilge.? Does this all >>> make sense? >>> Should I be concerned?? What can I do? >>> >>> 2.? With winter arriving, I've been trying to plug into shore power. >>> Unfortunately our service is only 15 Amps.? All I have running is a >>> smart charger (drawing 5 amps at 120V) and a saucer heater drawing 0.7 amps. >>> The breaker on the shore panel keeps tripping.? I checked the >>> charger by plugging it in direct...and all fine.? I bought a new >>> cable with a more positive connection to the pigtail.? To no avail. >>> So, I think I have a problem on the boat.? Any suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks.? Any thoughts appreciated. >>> >>> Derek Stanger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC-List@cnc-list.com > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -- Sent from my mobile device _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131014/c8239612/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:13:18 -0400 From: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List COCKPIT DRAINS - Criss - Cross or not? Message-ID: <01f501cec911$718176a0$548463e0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" As a matter of policy, it?s probably best that the scupper drains always be crossed. That way there is little chance of water getting into the cockpit when heeled over. As a matter of practicality, I think it depends on the boat. My 25 mk1 was plumbed port to port. The cockpit sole is about 6? above the waterline and the scuppers are about 18? off the centerline; and the boat has a beam less than 9 feet. At heel angles of 15 degrees or so you had wet feet. When I redid the seacocks (replacing the old gate valves) and replaced hoses, I crossed the lines. My Newport 28 (A C&C design) had scuppers aft that drained through the transom just above the waterline. When motoring, the transom squatted down and your feet got wet. No point is crossing the hoses, so I learned to steer from forward in the cockpit. On my 38, there are 4 scuppers plumbed to 2 seacocks, with the port scuppers going to the port seacock. But the cockpit sole is 12 to 16 inches above the waterline, the scuppers are about 18? off center, and the beam is over 12 feet. So the boat would need to heel to almost 45 degree for the scuppers to be below the waterline, and that takes a LOT of wind (plus it?s SLOW). There is almost no room back there to cross the hoses. And I need to be able to take the starboard hose out in order to access the steering and some of the other stuff in the ?basement?. So I have no plans to reroute the hoses. Alex, you probably need to look at the geography of your boat and do what seems to work best for you. Rick Brass Washington, NC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131014/2898f17c/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:01:31 -0400 From: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List singlehanding bigger boats Message-ID: <020501cec918$2ddba310$8992e930$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There's a solution for the "snake nest" of lines: Sheet Bags. I have a total of 8 lines led back to my cockpit winches: 2 genoa and 2 spin halyards, main halyard, winch end of mainsheet, vang and Cunningham. I bought 2 big sheet bags, made from Sunbrella and mesh netting, on EBay. Had them sized to go on the bulkhead on either side of the companionway. Line tails go in the bags and make a nice backrest when lounging in the cockpit, and keep the snakes off the cockpit floor when cruising. I also have a smaller bag mounted below the bridgedeck to keep the traveler end of the mainsheet off the cockpit sole, and will shortly be installing two appropriately sized bags against the sides of the cockpit for the tails of the genoa sheets (when cruising or lounging.) Regarding Antionne's comment about the effort required to hoist the main from the cockpit - several years ago I invested relatively short money in installing a Tides Marine Strong Track for my main. I can hoist the main (46 feet of it) to within a foot of the top without using the winch - even with the added friction of clutch and turning blocks. The Strong Track is certainly in the running for the "Best $500 I ever spent on the boat" award. As far as reefing goes, the point of reefing when is cruiser mode is to put in the reef early, before the boat starts bouncing around. I still need to go to the mast to hook in the reef cringle, tighten the reef outhaul, and tie in the reef lines around the boom. But it's a brief trip and I can stay hooked into the jacklines while I'm on the cabin top. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:52 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List singlehanding bigger boats And I will be quite glad to get the snake nest of lines out of the dodger area. Dave 1982 C"&C 37 - "Ronin" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131014/531b4b65/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:11:37 -0400 From: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List singlehanding bigger boats Message-ID: <0f6c153c-de9f-43c7-be0e-031e80595...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I considered adding the Tides Strong Track system this year and if it was a $500 upgrade I would have done it without further thought. But unless I am missing something, at $30/ft for the track alone, not including the sail mods to attach the batten cars, you are talking about closer to $1500. Dave On Oct 14, 2013, at 4:01 PM, "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > There?s a solution for the ?snake nest? of lines: Sheet Bags. > > I have a total of 8 lines led back to my cockpit winches: 2 genoa and 2 spin > halyards, main halyard, winch end of mainsheet, vang and Cunningham. I bought > 2 big sheet bags, made from Sunbrella and mesh netting, on EBay. Had them > sized to go on the bulkhead on either side of the companionway. Line tails go > in the bags and make a nice backrest when lounging in the cockpit, and keep > the snakes off the cockpit floor when cruising. I also have a smaller bag > mounted below the bridgedeck to keep the traveler end of the mainsheet off > the cockpit sole, and will shortly be installing two appropriately sized bags > against the sides of the cockpit for the tails of the genoa sheets (when > cruising or lounging.) > > Regarding Antionne?s comment about the effort required to hoist the main from > the cockpit ? several years ago I invested relatively short money in > installing a Tides Marine Strong Track for my main. I can hoist the main (46 > feet of it) to within a foot of the top without using the winch ? even with > the added friction of clutch and turning blocks. The Strong Track is > certainly in the running for the ?Best $500 I ever spent on the boat? award. > > As far as reefing goes, the point of reefing when is cruiser mode is to put > in the reef early, before the boat starts bouncing around. I still need to go > to the mast to hook in the reef cringle, tighten the reef outhaul, and tie > in the reef lines around the boom. But it?s a brief trip and I can stay > hooked into the jacklines while I?m on the cabin top. > > > Rick Brass > Washington, NC > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:52 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List singlehanding bigger boats > > And I will be quite glad to get the snake nest of lines out of the dodger > area. > > Dave > 1982 C"&C 37 - "Ronin" > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com David Knecht, Ph.D. Professor and Head of Microscopy Facility Department of Molecular and Cell Biology U-3125 91 N. Eagleville Rd. University of Connecticut Storrs, CT 06269 860-486-2200 860-486-4331 (fax) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131014/819cb63f/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:19:29 -0400 From: Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List singlehanding bigger boats Message-ID: <8389a50e-f64c-4090-b12f-aa8f2dcdd...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Peregrine came with the strong track and I have to admit that I am really impressed with it. I've used the Antal and Harken offerings and they are better, but you pay much more. Andy C&C 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Oct 14, 2013, at 17:11, David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> wrote: > I considered adding the Tides Strong Track system this year and if it was a > $500 upgrade I would have done it without further thought. But unless I am > missing something, at $30/ft for the track alone, not including the sail mods > to attach the batten cars, you are talking about closer to $1500. Dave > > On Oct 14, 2013, at 4:01 PM, "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> There?s a solution for the ?snake nest? of lines: Sheet Bags. >> >> I have a total of 8 lines led back to my cockpit winches: 2 genoa and 2 spin >> halyards, main halyard, winch end of mainsheet, vang and Cunningham. I >> bought 2 big sheet bags, made from Sunbrella and mesh netting, on EBay. Had >> them sized to go on the bulkhead on either side of the companionway. Line >> tails go in the bags and make a nice backrest when lounging in the cockpit, >> and keep the snakes off the cockpit floor when cruising. I also have a >> smaller bag mounted below the bridgedeck to keep the traveler end of the >> mainsheet off the cockpit sole, and will shortly be installing two >> appropriately sized bags against the sides of the cockpit for the tails of >> the genoa sheets (when cruising or lounging.) >> >> Regarding Antionne?s comment about the effort required to hoist the main >> from the cockpit ? several years ago I invested relatively short money in >> installing a Tides Marine Strong Track for my main. I can hoist the main (46 >> feet of it) to within a foot of the top without using the winch ? even with >> the added friction of clutch and turning blocks. The Strong Track is >> certainly in the running for the ?Best $500 I ever spent on the boat? award. >> >> As far as reefing goes, the point of reefing when is cruiser mode is to put >> in the reef early, before the boat starts bouncing around. I still need to >> go to the mast to hook in the reef cringle, tighten the reef outhaul, and >> tie in the reef lines around the boom. But it?s a brief trip and I can stay >> hooked into the jacklines while I?m on the cabin top. >> >> >> Rick Brass >> Washington, NC >> >> >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave >> Godwin >> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:52 AM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List singlehanding bigger boats >> >> And I will be quite glad to get the snake nest of lines out of the dodger >> area. >> >> Dave >> 1982 C"&C 37 - "Ronin" >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > David Knecht, Ph.D. > Professor and Head of Microscopy Facility > Department of Molecular and Cell Biology > U-3125 > 91 N. Eagleville Rd. > University of Connecticut > Storrs, CT 06269 > 860-486-2200 > 860-486-4331 (fax) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131014/2b7e9648/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:52:18 -0300 From: Mike Casey <islandpacketrac...@gmail.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List islandpacketrac...@gmail.com Message-ID: <CAKSXv0SPeWo-Pf17iAFemLZoxDy62pYTQn4RwH+AzM2AAo=w...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131014/220b063f/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:25:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark G <mjg...@comcast.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List COCKPIT DRAINS - Criss - Cross or not? Message-ID: <1818369582.3457259.1381796704363.javamail.r...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Rick, That is really interesting because I've had my '73 25 heeled over to 40 degrees and have never had water in the cockpit. What could account for the difference? Drains are port-to-port, stbd-to-stbd. At some time in the life of my boat prior to me the gate valves were replaced. The cockpit floor also had an extensive repair and it's possible but unlikely the drains were moved. I think my thru-hulls are closer to 12" off centerline but I haven't looked lately. You race your 25, right? How many do you typically have on board... 5 or 6? I've never had more than 4 and some were kids. With a smaller boat, that may be the difference. When I sailed at the Boston Harbor Sailing Club, they had converted Solings with a different deck. The cockpits were self-bailing only when they were unmanned sitting on the mooring. To go sailing one person would climb aboard and close the valves before the others got on board otherwise you'd have an inch of water in the cockpit. Of course you had to remember to open the valves when you got off. Mark ----- Original Message -----From: Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSent: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:13:18 -0000 (UTC)Subject: Re: Stus-List COCKPIT DRAINS - Criss - Cross or not? As a matter of policy, it’s probably best that the scupper drains always be crossed. That way there is little chance of water getting into the cockpit when heeled over. As a matter of practicality, I think it depends on the boat. My 25 mk1 was plumbed port to port. The cockpit sole is about 6” above the waterline and the scuppers are about 18” off the centerline; and the boat has a beam less than 9 feet. At heel angles of 15 degrees or so you had wet feet. When I redid the seacocks (replacing the old gate valves) and replaced hoses, I crossed the lines. My Newport 28 (A C&C design) had scuppers aft that drained through the transom just above the waterline. When motoring, the transom squatted down and your feet got wet. No point is crossing the hoses, so I learned to steer from forward in the cockpit. On my 38, there are 4 scuppers plumbed to 2 seacocks, with the port scuppers going to the port seacock. But the cockpit sole is 12 to 16 inches above the waterline, the scuppers are about 18” off center, and the beam is over 12 feet. So the boat would need to heel to almost 45 degree for the scuppers to be below the waterline, and that takes a LOT of wind (plus it’s SLOW). There is almost no room back there to cross the hoses. And I need to be able to take the starboard hose out in order to access the steering and some of the other stuff in the “basement”. So I have no plans to reroute the hoses. Alex, you probably need to look at the geography of your boat and do what seems to work best for you. Rick Brass Washington, NC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131015/2a803a26/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ CnC-List mailing list CnC-List@cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ------------------------------ End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 93, Issue 43 **************************************** _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
