Back to me, I went on another site, one for designers etc, and basically, the skinny is that of course if the angle of heel is too great (needs to be calculated on a boat by boat basis) it would not drain, but imagine a 2 foot wide cockpit with a one foot depth to the DWL so using simplified trig, a less than 28 degree heel would mean that the lower cockpit side would still drain to the other side through the seacock.
OF COURSE with a higher degree of heel it will be buried, but 30 degrees is a big number especially when the boat optimally sails at 15... I note Dwight's comment that his are crossed. Cheers Alex Giannelia CC 35-II 1974 to be renamed after re-launch TORONTO, Ontario ag@@airsensing.com -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: October-13-13 9:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 93, Issue 40 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 34R hull (Andrew Burton) 2. COCKPIT DRAINS - Criss - Cross or not? (Alex Giannelia) 3. TV bracket (Chuck S) 4. Re: COCKPIT DRAINS - Criss - Cross or not? (dwight veinot) 5. Re: TV bracket (Knowles Rich) 6. Re: TV bracket (Aaron Rouhi) 7. Re: TV bracket (Knowles Rich) 8. Fw: TV bracket (Persuasion) 9. Re: COCKPIT DRAINS - Criss - Cross or not? (j...@svpaws.net) 10. Re: Annapolis Boat Show (Monty Schumpert) 11. Re: TV bracket (Jim Watts) 12. Re: C&C 33 Mkii 1985 - Bildge/Power (Colin Kilgour) 13. Wind based VMG - long and technical (Dennis C.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:08:53 -0400 From: Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com> To: j...@dellabarba.com, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List 34R hull Message-ID: <CAGAfpmZ9cBNb9XVYh7kJArYehG6gtpwvmeBMhyZesP=eoe=j...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Joe, please don't think I was making that accusation! You're obviously a man of impeccable taste, as show by the boat you sail. Andy Peregrine On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Joe Della Barba <j...@dellabarba.com>wrote: > Didn?t say I **liked them**, just that if any boat was ever built to > hit things, that one would be it!**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Joe Della Barba**** > > j...@dellabarba.com**** > > *From:* Andrew Burton [mailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:02 AM > *To:* j...@dellabarba.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 34R hull**** > > ** ** > > Joe after beating an old Out House 41 with a busted engine up the > Chesapeake for 65 hours, tacking through 120+ degrees and making a ton > of leeway, I know which boat I'd rather sail. Those OI 41s are like > Cadillacs; they looked good coming off the showroom floor, but boy did > they go downhill fast and start looking like hell in a hurry! I can't > believe anyone has a soft spot in their heart for them, but some > people do. I'll stick with my beautiful C&C that sails like a witch, > thank you!**** > > Andy**** > > C&C 40**** > > Peregrine**** > > ** ** > > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Joe Della Barba <j...@dellabarba.com> > wrote:**** > > Owning an old 35 MK I, I wouldn?t say the old boats were > indestructible tanks like an Out Island. The build weight of a 35 was > supposed to be > 10,500 pounds, which was kind of light for a 35 foot boat back in the day. > I will say the boat has held up for 40 years of now of some very heavy > use, so obviously the boat is strong enough. The hull does work in a heavy > sea ? > unlike many newer boats a lot of the internal structure is kind of > floating in the liner and doesn?t really reinforce the boat. The keel > attachment with the stub keel the lead bolts to IS a lot better than a > lot of newer boats. It isn?t as fast though as a narrow piece of lead > bolted straight to the hull. **** > > **** > > Joe Della Barba**** > > Coquina**** > > C&C 35 MK I**** > > j...@dellabarba.com**** > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of > *Ken Heaton > *Sent:* Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:02 AM > *To:* cnc-list**** > > > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 34R hull**** > > **** > > Hi Chuck,**** > > **** > > The schedule was different for the 37+ (& XL). The XL was built with > the > 37+ schedule unless you specifically ordered the R schedule. For > 37+ example, > I have the build file for hull #72 and the sales order shows the owner > paid > $4,000.00 extra for the "37R Laminate Hull & Deck" in his build.**** > > **** > > Don't forget the laminate wasn't just "1 oz chop and 1 oz mat", it > also had two layers of C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat, one layer inside the > balsa and one out above the waterline.**** > > **** > > Below the waterline the layup was one layer 1 oz. chop, one layer 1 oz. > mat and one layer of C77K/200 Kevlar Fabmat outside the balsa and one > layer of C72K/100 Fabmat inside. This Fabmat is much heavier than the > 1 oz. chop and 1 oz. mat at about 2.47 oz. for the C72K/100 and 4.94 > oz. for the > C77K/200.**** > > **** > > The layup was much heavier at the turn of the bilge across the > (almost) flat bottom of the hull to the keel sump as an additional two > layers of > C77/200 Kevlar Fabmat were added and further, in the keel sump, the > balsa was replaced with two layers of Compositex.**** > > **** > > Ken H.**** > > **** > > On 11 October 2013 08:41, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote:**** > > Ken, That's interesting. 1 oz chop and 1 oz mat seem ridiculously light. > Doesn't say how many layers of each? Was the schedule different for the > plus? the XL? > > FWIW, I'm holding the 4" circle I cut from the deck when I installed > solar fans on my 34R. The piece measures 1/32 shy of 1" thick, and I > can see the many layers of glass, with two separate layers of kevlar > with their yellow fuzzy ends. The balsa is 3/4", outer glass layer w > gel coat is 5/32", and interior layer is 3/32" thick approximately. > **** > > Chuck > *Resolute* > 1990 C&C 34R > Atlantic City, NJ**** > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Ken Heaton" <kenhea...@gmail.com> > *To: *"cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent: *Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:08:03 PM**** > > > *Subject: *Re: Stus-List 34R hull**** > > From the factory drawings, the Laminate Schedule for the 1990 C&C 37 R was: > **** > > C&C 37R Laminate, Hydrex resin used for the entire laminate.**** > > Topsides (total thickness 1.16")**** > > 1. Gelcoat**** > > 2. 1.0 oz. Chop**** > > 3. 1.0 oz. Mat**** > > 4. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat**** > > 5. 1? Aircraft Balsa Core**** > > 6. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat**** > > **** > > Bottom (total thickness 1.20")**** > > 1. Gelcoat**** > > 2. 1.0 oz. Chop**** > > 3. 1.0 oz. Mat**** > > 4. C77K/200 Kevlar Fabmat**** > > 5. 1? Aircraft Balsa Core**** > > 6. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat**** > > **** > > I imagine the 34R would have bee about the same.**** > > The 37+ was a bit thicker, both topsides and bottom.**** > > **** > > Ken H.**** > > **** > > On 10 October 2013 16:40, Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > wrote:* > *** > > I always thought the 34R hull was made from kevlar.....am I wrong? > > Bob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > On 2013/10/10 11:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:**** > > 34R was made by a completely different company than the 99. I believe > was also not epoxy.**** > > **** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* CnC-List > [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] > *On Behalf Of *dwight veinot > *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:33 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Looking to upsize.**** > > Mike**** > > The new hulls are stiff but they hole through a lot easier than the > hull of an older C&C which has solid glass reinforced polyester...Once > saw a power boat in slow reverse with the ss swim ladder supports > pointing aft...go too close to a 34R and there was a hole through the > hull...rather easy to puncture I thought**** > > **** > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com> > wrote:**** > > Curtis > > Not really sure how the hulls are weaker. They are not made with > solid polyester based resin layup though. The C&C 99 is laid up using > Epoxy not polyester so in many respects could be considered stronger > .. Or if not stronger than certainly lighter for the equivalent amount > of strength? > > Speaking of Beneteaus. The Beneteau 367 sails well for racing and has > a huge interior for entertaining or cruising. Is priced about the > same as a C&C99 on the used market > > Mike**** > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of**** > > Curtis > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 10:12 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking to upsize. > > The 99 has a weaker hull than the C&C boats? Right > > On 10/9/13, Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com> wrote: > > There is a 99 one for sale in Nova Scotia. Google Scotia Coast > Yachts. > > > > Have sailed on a 99 numerous times. Is a great boat. > > > > Mike > > ________________________________ > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of > Marek > > Fluder > > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 10:16 PM > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking to upsize. > > > > > > I am opened for C&C 99 but there are few and far between. > > As for 33-II the admiral would prefer something newer than the 80's, > > which I do not oppose :) Kind regards, > > > > Marek > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 2013-10-08, at 11:33 AM, "Richard N. Bush" <bushma...@aol.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > If you're looking at the 320, why not look at the C&C 99? or > > a nice 33-II ? > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > 1987 33-II, Ohio River, Mile 584 > > > >**** > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com**** > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com**** > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com**** > > > > > -- > Andrew Burton > 61 W Narragansett Ave > Newport, RI > USA 02840 > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > phone +401 965 5260 **** > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alex Giannelia CC 35-II 1974 to be renamed after re-launch TORONTO, Ontario ag@@airsensing.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:39:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> To: cnc-list CNC boat owners <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List TV bracket Message-ID: <842779731.2193465.1381685969618.javamail.r...@sz0179a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I am mounting a flat screen TV on my boat. Can I hang it on an articulating arm, or does it need to be flat against a wall? Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Like all 35-2's I have > 4 scuppers leading into 2 seacocks and while the original rig was to > drain port for port and starboard for starboard, I was reading in a > boat design and construction manual that for sailboats it is best to > cross them over, so when heeling, you still drain the cockpit. > > What says the crew on this list? > > Alex Giannelia > CC 35-II 1974 to be renamed after re-launch TORONTO, Ontario > > ag@@airsensing.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can I hang it on an articulating > arm, or does it need to be flat against a wall? > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Atlantic City, NJ > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131013/05f96e36/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 15:35:54 -0400 From: Aaron Rouhi <admiralmag...@outlook.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List TV bracket Message-ID: <bay402-eas30c37c752e3fa9e85abc35a2...@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bronze or SS nails? Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD > On Oct 13, 2013, at 2:39 PM, "Knowles Rich" <r...@sailpower.ca> wrote: > > Flat with a 6" nail in each corner of the screen works great. Improves the > programs too. > > Indigo > LF 38 > Halifax, NS > >> On Oct 13, 2013, at 14:39, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> I am mounting a flat screen TV on my boat. Can I hang it on an articulating >> arm, or does it need to be flat against a wall? >> >> Chuck >> Resolute >> 1990 C&C 34R >> Atlantic City, NJ >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131013/420faf88/attachment-0001.html> -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 16:53:11 -0300 From: Knowles Rich <r...@sailpower.ca> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List TV bracket Message-ID: <8116824e-49ee-4597-8107-6e25bc09a...@sailpower.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Unplated steel. The corrosion gives some character. Indigo LF 38 Halifax, NS > On Oct 13, 2013, at 16:35, Aaron Rouhi <admiralmag...@outlook.com> wrote: > > Bronze or SS nails? > > Cheers, > Aaron R. > 1979 30-MK1 > Annapolis, MD > >> On Oct 13, 2013, at 2:39 PM, "Knowles Rich" <r...@sailpower.ca> wrote: >> >> Flat with a 6" nail in each corner of the screen works great. Improves the >> programs too. >> >> Indigo >> LF 38 >> Halifax, NS >> >>> On Oct 13, 2013, at 14:39, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> I am mounting a flat screen TV on my boat. Can I hang it on an >>> articulating arm, or does it need to be flat against a wall? >>> >>> Chuck >>> Resolute >>> 1990 C&C 34R >>> Atlantic City, NJ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike S/V Persuasion C&C 37 Keel/CB Long Sault From: Chuck S Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 1:39 PM To: cnc-list CNC boat owners Subject: Stus-List TV bracket I am mounting a flat screen TV on my boat. Can I hang it on an articulating arm, or does it need to be flat against a wall? Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131013/a337c749/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 16:32:52 -0400 From: "j...@svpaws.net" <j...@svpaws.net> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List COCKPIT DRAINS - Criss - Cross or not? Message-ID: <958b87d2-3696-4209-adbd-995b16294...@svpaws.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Maybe I'm misunderstanding. If crossed over, how would the cockpit ever completely drain when heeled? John Sent from my iPad > On Oct 13, 2013, at 1:59 PM, dwight veinot <dwight...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The aft ones are crossed over on my 35 MKII...no problem > > >> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Alex Giannelia <a...@airsensing.com> wrote: >> As I have now finally installed the cover to my Oddisey battery box, I can >> deal with the issue of my cockpit drains. Like all 35-2's I have 4 scuppers >> leading into 2 seacocks and while the original rig was to drain port for >> port and starboard for starboard, I was reading in a boat design and >> construction manual that for sailboats it is best to cross them over, so >> when heeling, you still drain the cockpit. >> >> What says the crew on this list? >> >> Alex Giannelia >> CC 35-II 1974 to be renamed after re-launch TORONTO, Ontario >> >> ag@@airsensing.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131013/2ef17236/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:37:29 -0400 From: Monty Schumpert <jmschump...@verizon.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Annapolis Boat Show Message-ID: <57511517-f426-483d-b6e7-98a774a7b...@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Chuck & Joel, I've been to the show but would be glad to meet you for a pain killer Pussers at the end of the show Monday. I'm about 10-15 minutes away. 703-625-5488 (cell) Monty Scandia 1991 C&C 34+ Annapolis, MD On Oct 11, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: > Hey Joel, > I just put your cell number in my phone. I'll call you and we'll meetup when > the show ends? Maybe at 4 or 5pm. > Mariott, unless you have a better idea. I'm open to meeting other listers, > if interested. > > My cell is 609-703-0790 > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Atlantic City, NJ > From: "Joel Aronson" <joel.aron...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 3:20:26 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List Annapolis Boat Show > > Chuck, > > The rain did not keep the crowds away. The vendors I spoke to were happy > with the traffic yesterday and today. > > I should be around Monday. I'm only about 10 minutes away (plus time > to find a parking space!) > > Joel > 202-213-7511 cell > > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: > I hope to get to the Annapolis show Monday, when it's drier, but it will > probably be the most crowded due to the rainy stuff going on now. > > Don't expect to board any boats either, though I love the atmosphere and > seeing the different designs. > I study all the neat details of the better designs for runners, backstays, > folding footbraces, cockpit stuff, and I'll be shopping for a few parts as > well. > I may stay late and enjoy a pain killer and watch the take down after the > show from the Mariott if anyone's around there? > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Atlantic City, NJ > From: "Joel Aronson" <joel.aron...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 2:38:58 PM > Subject: Stus-List Annapolis Boat Show > > > I spent a couple hours at a very soggy boat show today. There was no sign of > the C&C guys, and they were not listed as exhibitors. The C&C 101 is now the > Tartan 101. > > Sailing anarchy has a drawing of a new C&C 30 racer on its home page. Looks > like they are going after the Farr 30 crowd. > > Bought some Garhauer clutches, a winch handle, bag and various other stuff. > Talked to the Harken guys about my traveler. They said they still sell all > the bearings and shackles for the old cars. (The new cars don't fit.) They > also have some old cars kicking around. > > Didn't board a single boat. > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The corrosion gives some character. > > > Indigo > LF 38 > Halifax, NS > > On Oct 13, 2013, at 16:35, Aaron Rouhi <admiralmag...@outlook.com> wrote: > > Bronze or SS nails? > > Cheers, > Aaron R. > 1979 30-MK1 > Annapolis, MD > > On Oct 13, 2013, at 2:39 PM, "Knowles Rich" <r...@sailpower.ca> wrote: > > Flat with a 6" nail in each corner of the screen works great. Improves > the programs too. > > Indigo > LF 38 > Halifax, NS > > On Oct 13, 2013, at 14:39, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: > > I am mounting a flat screen TV on my boat. Can I hang it on an > articulating arm, or does it need to be flat against a wall? > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Atlantic City, NJ > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 10/12/13, Derek Leck <derek.l...@metzgers.com> wrote: > Yeah I was told it could be either but understand you had one of these > boats and wasn't it you who told me about you repairs to the same? > >> > > : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : > > Derek Leck : : Account Manager > METZGERS : : www.metzgers.com > 419.861.8611 x4824 : : fax: 419.861.3299 > > Get Involved! > http://www.metzgers.com/social-media > On Oct 12, 2013, at 8:08 AM, "Graham Collins" > <cnclistforw...@hotmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hi Derek (s) >> I can tell you it is not a balsa core, the keel sump under the mast >> step is filled with a high density foam of some sort. Still smells bad tho' >> >> Graham Collins >> Secret Plans >> C&C 35-III #11 >> >>> On 2013-10-12 8:49 AM, Derek Leck wrote: >>> What a coincidence Derek. My name is Derek and I have the exact same >>> boat and exact same problem. Apparently our boats have a defective keel >>> sump. >>> This is the area under the mast step. What I have learned is that >>> there is a balsa wood core within the keel sump area. After years of >>> use, especially the stresses of racing, grounding etc. the >>> fiberglass structure of the keel sump becomes soft. Now here comes >>> the part you really don't want to hear. When this sump area gets >>> weak the entire load of your rig, mast weight, stay tension, sailing >>> loads etc, are no longer dispersed. Instead, all this force is >>> directed in a very vulnerable area which is where the keel stub >>> meets the hull. When you pull the boat you will most likely find a >>> crack in your hull in this area. Just in front of the keel. This is >>> why you are getting water in the bilge. The nasty water is due to the balsa >>> wood core rotting. I know it can smell terrible! >>> >>> The fix is substantial and that exterior crack is the least of our >>> worries. ( This year will be the third attempt to correct my issue). >>> Previous attempts were a wast of time since they were merely >>> cosmetic. As I understand the keel will need to be dropped, keel >>> sump area has to be cut out and rebuilt. The entire area beneath the >>> mast step should be reinforced with additional glass work and >>> possibly aluminum or stainless plates. My boat comes out this >>> Monday and we'll find out exactly the extent of damages and cost to repair. >>> >>> I will keep you informed of my progress and I would like to hear >>> about yours. Feel free to reach out to me anytime. >>> >>> Good luck! >>> >>> P.S. Love my boat!!!!! (When it's not leaking). >>> >>> >>> >>> : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : >>> : >>> >>> Derek Leck : : Account Manager >>> METZGERS : : www.metzgers.com<http://www.metzgers.com> >>> 419.861.8611 x4824 : : fax: 419.861.3299 >>> [http://www.metzgers.com/misc/EmailSig.jpg]<http://www.metzgers.com/ >>> social-media> >>> >>> On Oct 12, 2013, at 12:36 AM, "Derek Stanger" >>> <derek.stan...@yahoo.ca<mailto:derek.stan...@yahoo.ca>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello to all. My first post. >>> >>> I'm the new owner of a previously well loved C&C 33 mkii 1985. I'm >>> going through I think the normal new boat >>> challenges/headaches/expenses...but >>> in particular a couple that I'd like some advice on: >>> >>> 1. Upon cleaning a really smelly,slimy bilge today (salt water, >>> Vancouver BC) I noticed water spraying into the bilge from an old >>> screw hole (low in the bilge, on forward side, used for holding bilge line). >>> It stopped spraying/dribbling after approx. 10 min (and a bit of a >>> panic). I'm assuming the "putty" fill (as shown in the owners >>> manual) forward of the bilge wall might have voids that fill with >>> the raising water in the bilge? When the bilge is emptied the water >>> forward has some head to it and comes back into the bilge. Does this all >>> make sense? >>> Should I be concerned? What can I do? >>> >>> 2. With winter arriving, I've been trying to plug into shore power. >>> Unfortunately our service is only 15 Amps. All I have running is a >>> smart charger (drawing 5 amps at 120V) and a saucer heater drawing 0.7 amps. >>> The breaker on the shore panel keeps tripping. I checked the >>> charger by plugging it in direct...and all fine. I bought a new >>> cable with a more positive connection to the pigtail. To no avail. >>> So, I think I have a problem on the boat. Any suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks. Any thoughts appreciated. >>> >>> Derek Stanger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -- Sent from my mobile device ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 18:35:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dennis C." <capt...@yahoo.com> To: CnClist <CnC-List@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List Wind based VMG - long and technical Message-ID: <1381714525.92660.yahoomail...@web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Did some more scratching around on wind based VMG.? I hope I'm correct on all this.? :) First, let's define some terms and abbreviations * VMG - Velocity Made Good.? Velocity directly up or down wind * WCV - Waypoint Closure Velocity.? Velocity towards a waypoint.? (Shows on GPS as VMG) * TWA - True Wind Angle.? The angle of the boat to the true wind. * TWS - True Wind Speed.? The speed of the wind across the water * AWA - Apparent Wind Angle.? The angle of the wind across the boat** * AWS - Apparent Wind Speed.? The speed of the wind across the boat** * BSP - Boat Speed.? The speed of the boat through the water** Note: The only one of the above that requires a GPS is WCV.? The remainder require either a wind sensor, a knot transducer or both.? The ones marked ** are observed, the rest are calculated. Also note that TWA should not be confused with true wind direction, a compass bearing.? None of the above require a compass.? The calculation of VMG is a bit obtuse.? In order for your instrument system to calculate VMG it must first calculate TWA.? It does this from BSP, AWA. and AWS (apparent wind speed).? It's vector addition or trigonometry.? Here is a decent explanation and calculator with diagrams. http://www.sailingcourse.com/keelboat/true_wind_calculator.htm Next, it calculates VMG.? Simply put, VMG = BSP x cosine (TWA) Here is another site which may help visualize it. http://lagoon-inside.com/2012/01/faster-thanks-to-the-vmg-concept/ Now, let's point out that VMG does not consider current.? It does, however, contain leeway because of the apparent wind component.? Now let's look at WCV.? Many GPS units display VMG.? This is really WCV.? It is the velocity at which the boat is approaching the active waypoint set in the GPS.? A stand alone GPS has no idea what the wind is and therefore can not calculate wind based VMG.? WCV will work at the start of a race or cruising leg, but will become less useful as the boat sails up the course.? This becomes apparent as the boat approaches the windward or leeward laylines and the racing mark has been set as the active waypoint.? As you approach the laylines, WCV will tend to zero as you are sailing past the waypoint at a 90 degree angle and are no longer closing on the waypoint.? In fact, many GPS units will display negative WCV once you have overstood the layline.? A useful tool if you also have instruments that calculate VMG. So how do you use your GPS to approximate VMG for a windward/leeward race?? Simple.? Before the race begins, turn head to wind and observe the true wind direction.? Next, enter a waypoint in your GPS that is 20+ miles beyond, and directly upwind of the windward turning mark.? Now sail your race maximizing WCV.? In some ways, this may be better than maximizing wind based VMG because it accounts for current. Darn, my brain is tired.? I need to go chat with my friend Johnnie Walker. Dennis C. 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