NADA does seem to be quite limited but at the same time could give a good measure of relative worth between models. BUC Value seems a lot better
I did a quick check on NADA and it seems to really be missing a lot of info that should go a long way to identify a good vs a bad model of a baot and its relative worth. There is no place to enter sails or their age, the electronics also does not indicate age. To me a boat that has very recent sails, electronics and other upgrades is a boat that is often well taken care of in many areas. OTOH a boat that has original 25+ YO sails and electronics likely has origibnal cushions and everything else and likely has had less maintenance done over recent years and would therefore be worth less than one that has. Particularly if the new (less than 3 years old) sails and electronics match with the buyers needs or wants as that saves a ton of money after the purchase. Mike Nut Case -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 5:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List New boat - NOT Steve, I found NADA http://www.nadaguides.com/Boats/Sailboats online at some point. If I understand it correctly these are the values that insurance companies and banks will place on a boat - sort of a "black book value" I realize that the prices may not be accurate to Canada or different regions - but I use it as a rough approximation of relative value between boats as well as a rough estimate of the price of a boat. Mark --------------------- Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca --------------------- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 01/10/2013 1:47 PM, Steve Thomas wrote: > Mark, > What are the "NADA" valuations you refer to? > You won't find a CS30 for $15k on the Great Lakes unless it has some serious problem. > If I found a good one for that price I would buy it tomorrow. > Boats of all kinds are generally more expensive here than on the east coast, but that is for a good reason if the boat has been > here all its life. > Fresh water, a 6 month sailing season, and annual haul out for winter all contribute to better preserved boats. > Something to bear in mind as you compare prices online. > > Steve Thomas > C&C27 MKIII > Lake Erie > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Dr. > Mark Bodnar > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 11:45 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List New boat - NOT > > > > Mike, > Thanks for the heads up. That boat is with Sunnybrook Yacht brokers. > They are asking ~$39000. Very few interior pictures online (which is a > red flag after I looked at a boat earlier this summer where pictures > were carefully taken to hide rot and water intrusion) > > There is another CS30 for sale in Chester - I've talked to the broker > and I'm going down to check out the boat this wkend (pictures online are > not as clear - so harder to gauge condition) > http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/Cs-30-2254686/Chester-Basin/Canada# .Ukrs_4asiM4 > > They are asking $31000. But I keep making the mistake of thinking that > the asking price has some relation to the actual selling price. > Figuring that a boat listed for $22500 in Boston should be easier to > negotiate down to $15-16K vs a boat listed at $31K --- but then I > remember that one C&C32 I was watching online, but didn't go to look at > because it was too expensive at $30000 came back up for private sale for > $16500. I need to not worry about "offending" a seller, be comfortable > offering what I think the boat should sell for - if they refuse then I > move on. > > Looking at NADA values online the CS30 is avg $15000. The broker says > the sellers are "motivated" - we'll see how much if the boat looks > good. I figure bringing a boat back from the US adds $2-4000 to my > cost. So if I can get a local boat for a couple grand more then I'm even. > > Mark > > --------------------- > Dr. Mark Bodnar > B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) > Bedford Chiropractic > www.bedfordchiro.ca > --------------------- > > There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. > - George Santayana > > On 30/09/2013 9:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote: >> Mark >> >> There is a CS30 called Kittiwake rumoured for sale at the Sunrise Shore >> Marina just outside Tatamagopuche, NS. Not sure the price. Is the >> model with the four ports rather than the big long windows. >> >> FYI >> >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. >> Mark Bodnar >> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 1:05 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Stus-List New boat - NOT >> >> >> So the new boat is a bust! >> >> I was thinking I had a chance to get a great deal, a boat in fair >> condition for a good price, just in need of some cosmetic cleaning etc. >> >> Unfortunately no. Surveyor found the boat was full of mold, cushions >> wet and moldy, stove rusted beyond repair, bilge full of rain water, >> manual bilge pump not functional, anchors rusted to point of needing >> replacement, Plus the usual minor issues - scrapes and scuffs in the >> gel coat etc. >> With the bilge full of water the surveyor was unable to properly check >> the keel bolts or the mast step. >> All told, just does not make sense. And yes, I know, a few people on >> this list warned me of exactly these issues, but I couldn't help from >> trying to find that great deal where you catch a seller at just the >> right time. >> Thanks for the advice and offers of assistance. Rich had offered to >> help sail the boat back >> >> Now I'm back looking at the CS 30 I posted. More expensive, but boat >> looks in much better condition. Bill, I appreciate the personal >> recommendation with the broker. Discussed the boat with him, he says it >> >> has a few cosmetic issues but that the owner died last winter and the >> adult, non-sailing, children are selling the boat. He feels they will >> likely be open to an offer given the boat will start costing them winter >> >> storage fees within a few weeks. >> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1988/Cs-30-2638685/Hingham/MA/United-Sta >> tes#.Ukb-NYasiM4 >> >> If it does go ahead I don't want to take that much time off work to sail >> >> the boat all the way home, but I have a local skipper who I was >> organizing to bring back the C&C29, and we should be able to organize >> getting the boat home in mid Oct if I go ahead with the CS. I'm hoping >> if we time it right that I can drive down to Yarmouth and hop on the >> boat with him to bring it up the coast of NS. >> >> We'll see how it goes. I'm still willing to stick with my little Mirage >> >> 24 if I can't find the right deal. >> >> Mark >> > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
