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Re: C&C 41 vs. ? in BVI (Joel Aronson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:35:42 -0300 From: Knowles Rich <r...@sailpower.ca> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stu and the Bad Guys Message-ID: <d890ab4c-497e-41c5-8c99-b47b11d62...@sailpower.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Listers: Just a little note to suggest we all save a few pennies toward helping Stu out once he gets sorted with the insurance people. Hopefully he will recover well, but I am sure there will be some gaps which we may be able to fill. Stu, I know you will see this and I trust you will keep us up to date as you get things back together. If you do have to redo the site/software etc, it might also be an opportunity to consider developing it a bit to accommodate pictures etc. Just a thought. This forum and the site certainly increase the pleasure of owning a C&C yacht, and, judging by the participation, is a useful and entertaining resource. Any way, standing by! We appreciate you, Stu!!! Rich. Rich Knowles INDIGO LF38 Halifax, NS. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:56:48 -0300 From: Graham Collins <cnclistforw...@hotmail.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Strip LEDs Cabin Lighting Message-ID: <blu0-smtp13841966fa344df9455fc25d8...@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Hi Steve The mixing can be done at smaller sizes as well, size is more related to the light output. I'll try to remember to take some pictures when I'm done. Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 On 2013-04-04 6:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: > I would love to see some pictures of your setup, Graham. > Yes, the 5050 are larger because they contain 3 leds per cell which > apparently allows for RGB and mixing any colour. > The v-berth is definitely a good candidate. > > Steve > C&C 32 > Toronto > > On 2013-04-04, at 4:28 PM, Graham Collins <cnclistforw...@hotmail.com > <mailto:cnclistforw...@hotmail.com>> wrote: > >> The numbers refer to the physical size of the individual LEDs (so >> 3528 is 3.5mm x 2.8mm, 5050 is 5mm x 5mm). 5050, being bigger, will >> both cast more light and use more power. >> >> I just replaced one fluorescent fixture by making a replacement with >> 3 feet of 120 LED per meter material, 3528 size. (yes, I am mixing >> imperial and metric units...). 3 LED/inch = 108 LEDs It seems more >> than bright enough. >> >> I am pondering mounting some 60 LED/m strips on the underside of the >> shelves in the v-berth, since that area is a bit dark... >> >> Anyone wanting to look at the various options, the web site >> superbrightleds.com <http://superbrightleds.com> is a good resource. >> Graham Collins >> Secret Plans >> C&C 35-III #11 >> On 2013-04-04 3:52 PM, Fred Hazzard wrote: >>> >>> I bought 16 feet of LED's from LED Wholesalers in Calif. They are >>> the warm white 3528. They are quite yellow. There are 15 LED's per >>> foot. I installed 30 of them in an old florescent fixture. While >>> it is a nice light it does not put out enough light to be an area >>> light in the galley. I am sure that if I installed long strips of >>> them as hidden accent lights they would be great. >>> >>> Fred Hazzard >>> >>> S/V Fury >>> >>> C&C 44 >>> >>> Portland, Or >>> >>> *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of >>> *Stevan Plavsa >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 10:41 AM >>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Strip LEDs Cabin Lighting >>> >>> They have a "warm white" but they appeared yellow, like YELLOW, not >>> incandescent. To be honest I don't know how accurate their colour >>> temperatures are. I picked the "in between" one because I figure >>> this is a test and I'll know I can go colder or warmer from this point. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> C&C 32 >>> >>> Toronto >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Frederick G Street >>> <f...@postaudio.net <mailto:f...@postaudio.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Steve -- 4500K is a fairly bright, bluish-white light (daylight is >>> about 6500K). If they have something in closer to 2700K or even >>> 3200K, that would be a much warmer-colored light, more like >>> incandescent. >>> >>> Something to think about. >>> >>> >>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >>> S/V /Oceanis/ (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, >>> WI :^( >>> >>> On Apr 4, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All. >>> >>> I just volunteered my boat for a test case using these LED strip >>> lights that are available on ebay cheap out of china. I haven't >>> seen them used on boats before. They are marketed as being >>> waterproof. There are a few variations on the LED types with the >>> two most common being "SMD 5050" and "SMD 3528". The 5050 have >>> triple LEDs so they can be made into any colour, they are also >>> brighter because of the triple LED and consume more. The 3528, >>> which I ordered, are smaller, single cell LEDs and consume less >>> (why I chose them). Both varieties come in 5 meter lengths for >>> about $20. The 3528 strip that I ordered has 600 LEDs on it! >>> They can be cut to size. I purchased these to provide accent >>> lighting in the cabin. They should be bright enough to be used >>> as a primary light source for hanging out but not for reading >>> (not the way I'm installing them, anyway). >>> >>> For the accent lighting I'll be installing them behind the teak >>> trim on both sides of the boat just under the cabinets on either >>> side. They should be hidden from view in there and I will likely >>> aim them UP into that void rather than down, I'm a big fan of >>> diffused lighting. I ordered the "natural white 4500k" LEDs. >>> What I'm hoping to accomplish is a nice subdued ambient light in >>> the cabin. I might even try a dimmer. >>> >>> If anyone is interested in this I can update once received and >>> installed. >>> >>> Check them out: >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310638125425&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:CA:3160 >>> >>> For $20 I figure it's worth the gamble. They are 12V DC so >>> should be a snap to install. >>> >>> I've got other ideas too. I'll see how this first strip works >>> out and I'm curious to see what the real world power consumption >>> is. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> C&C 32 >>> >>> Toronto >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com <http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com <http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130404/ac1bb62b/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:55:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> To: cnc-list CNC boat owners <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>, cc-3436 <cc-3...@googlegroups.com> Subject: Stus-List Black Magic C&C 34+ Message-ID: <1240476085.231485.1365116129243.javamail.r...@sz0179a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Anybody know anything about Ralph Racca and Black Magic, a C&C 34+? I wanted to find out about his runner setup. The boat raced Newport to Block Island in May of 2008. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130404/cc67f0a9/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 23:37:42 +0000 From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List C&C 41 vs. ? in BVI Message-ID: <23eae197cc1b594fa8793397ebcd357d799...@dmi3.dmi.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have a conversation going with someone considering a purchase of a C&C in the 40' range to race in BVI. I offered to present his questions to this (cnc-listers) august body to gather the combined wisdom. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original question: Down here in the BVI myself and four friends race a small Hunter 30 in the various regattas but being the smallest boat in the group we seldom get with the winners. One of our friends down here has a C&C 41 with centerboard and he wins everything, so, we are looking at getting a C&C ourselves. So, the question is, which one (41 or 43) which is where I would appreciate your guidance. There is a C&C 41fin keel in a St Martin (90 miles from us) but would the 43 custom be a faster vessel, we obviously want to beat our friend with the C&C 41 !!!! Sitting in our position, which C&C would you be looking at to race down here ?? Follow-up questions: A 41 fin keel versus a 41 center board ?? Taking a different tack (excuse the pun), how would the 41 / 43 fair against a similar size J boat, I know they are very different animals but the J's handicap might even out the odds. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have answered with some general info based on my experience with a 1970 C&C 43. I do not have any knowledge on how other C&C designs would compare with a C&C 43 / centerboard especially in BVI conditions (trade winds?). Martin Calypso 1970 C&C 43 Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130404/ffa68f49/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:57:44 -0400 From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 41 vs. ? in BVI Message-ID: <2062576535285192906@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" FWIW here are the PHRF NE numbers: C+C 4172C+C 41 1983 LIM ED69C+C 41 CB75C+C 4281C+C 43-1 TM72C+C 43-275C+C 44 J 4078J 40 SD90J 4169J 41 FR69J 4269J 42 CARBON66J 42 SD75J 44 ODR27J 44 WK Joel Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> wrote: I have a conversation going with someone considering a purchase of a C&C in the 40? range to race in BVI. I offered to present his questions to this (cnc-listers) august body to gather the combined wisdom. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Original question:* Down here in the BVI myself and four friends race a small Hunter 30 in the various regattas but being the smallest boat in the group we seldom get with the winners. One of our friends down here has a C&C 41 with centerboard and he wins everything, so, we are looking at getting a C&C ourselves. So, the question is, which one (41 or 43) which is where I would appreciate your guidance. There is a C&C 41fin keel in a St Martin (90 miles from us) but would the 43 custom be a faster vessel, we obviously want to beat our friend with the C&C 41 !!!! Sitting in our position, which C&C would you be looking at to race down here ?? *Follow-up questions:* A 41 fin keel versus a 41 center board ?? Taking a different tack (excuse the pun), how would the 41 / 43 fair against a similar size J boat, I know they are very different animals but the J's handicap might even out the odds. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have answered with some general info based on my experience with a 1970 C&C 43. I do not have any knowledge on how other C&C designs would compare with a C&C 43 / centerboard especially in BVI conditions (trade winds?). Martin Calypso 1970 C&C 43 Seattle _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130404/771ba2ce/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 01:34:02 +0000 From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 41 vs. ? in BVI Message-ID: <23eae197cc1b594fa8793397ebcd357d799...@dmi3.dmi.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Joel, Thanks for the PHRF NE rating info. Of those boats listed, which designs are commonly at or near the top of each class in the NE? Here in the PNW we have an abundance of light air and current which often affects/distorts relative performance. My relative performance observations are not likely accurate for BVI conditions. Martin Calypso 1970 C&C 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 5:58 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 41 vs. ? in BVI FWIW here are the PHRF NE numbers: C+C 41 72 C+C 41 1983 LIM ED 69 C+C 41 CB 75 C+C 42 81 C+C 43-1 TM 72 C+C 43-2 75 C+C 44 J 40 78 J 40 SD 90 J 41 69 J 41 FR 69 J 42 69 J 42 CARBON 66 J 42 SD 75 J 44 ODR 27 J 44 WK Joel Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com<mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>> wrote: I have a conversation going with someone considering a purchase of a C&C in the 40' range to race in BVI. I offered to present his questions to this (cnc-listers) august body to gather the combined wisdom. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original question: Down here in the BVI myself and four friends race a small Hunter 30 in the various regattas but being the smallest boat in the group we seldom get with the winners. One of our friends down here has a C&C 41 with centerboard and he wins everything, so, we are looking at getting a C&C ourselves. So, the question is, which one (41 or 43) which is where I would appreciate your guidance. There is a C&C 41fin keel in a St Martin (90 miles from us) but would the 43 custom be a faster vessel, we obviously want to beat our friend with the C&C 41 !!!! Sitting in our position, which C&C would you be looking at to race down here ?? Follow-up questions: A 41 fin keel versus a 41 center board ?? Taking a different tack (excuse the pun), how would the 41 / 43 fair against a similar size J boat, I know they are very different animals but the J's handicap might even out the odds. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have answered with some general info based on my experience with a 1970 C&C 43. I do not have any knowledge on how other C&C designs would compare with a C&C 43 / centerboard especially in BVI conditions (trade winds?). Martin Calypso 1970 C&C 43 Seattle _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130405/220fdac5/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 21:40:04 -0400 From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 41 vs. ? in BVI Message-ID: <7661237833334022545@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Martin, Im on the Chesapeake but I use the PHRF ratings as a general guide. I couldn't tell you which boats outperform. I'd guess the J s are lighter and sail better in light air but I haven't gone to sailboatdata.com to do the research. In the BVIs the light air advantage would be less significant. Joel 35/3 Annapolis Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> wrote: Joel, Thanks for the PHRF NE rating info. Of those boats listed, which designs are commonly at or near the top of each class in the NE? Here in the PNW we have an abundance of light air and current which often affects/distorts relative performance. My relative performance observations are not likely accurate for BVI conditions. Martin Calypso 1970 C&C 43 Seattle *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 5:58 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 41 vs. ? in BVI FWIW here are the PHRF NE numbers: C+C 41 72 C+C 41 1983 LIM ED 69 C+C 41 CB 75 C+C 42 81 C+C 43-1 TM 72 C+C 43-2 75 C+C 44 J 40 78 J 40 SD 90 J 41 69 J 41 FR 69 J 42 69 J 42 CARBON 66 J 42 SD 75 J 44 ODR 27 J 44 WK Joel Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> wrote: I have a conversation going with someone considering a purchase of a C&C in the 40? range to race in BVI. I offered to present his questions to this (cnc-listers) august body to gather the combined wisdom. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Original question:* Down here in the BVI myself and four friends race a small Hunter 30 in the various regattas but being the smallest boat in the group we seldom get with the winners. One of our friends down here has a C&C 41 with centerboard and he wins everything, so, we are looking at getting a C&C ourselves. So, the question is, which one (41 or 43) which is where I would appreciate your guidance. There is a C&C 41fin keel in a St Martin (90 miles from us) but would the 43 custom be a faster vessel, we obviously want to beat our friend with the C&C 41 !!!! Sitting in our position, which C&C would you be looking at to race down here ?? *Follow-up questions:* A 41 fin keel versus a 41 center board ?? Taking a different tack (excuse the pun), how would the 41 / 43 fair against a similar size J boat, I know they are very different animals but the J's handicap might even out the odds. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have answered with some general info based on my experience with a 1970 C&C 43. I do not have any knowledge on how other C&C designs would compare with a C&C 43 / centerboard especially in BVI conditions (trade winds?). 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