I believe the J/111 will rate 36 this year, probably lower next year. There were a couple of "comments" about its performance. I race on a Swan 42 that rates -3. Those C&C 41 & J/40 numbers look pretty slow compared to that!
Tim Mojito C&C 35-3 Branford, CT On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Chuck S <[email protected]> wrote: > Agree Dwight, > I like the C&C racer/cruiser line of boats because of the dual purpose > idea and they are well built and respected. My boat has taught me a great > deal about sailing because it is so responsive. > > *For the guy in BVI*, I would add that you can win with a higher PHRF > number if you prepare it properly with clean bottom and sleek racing sails, > and sail a flawless race. There is a Triton 28 that races us with a rating > of 258. He finished an 8 mile race 30 minutes after us and corrected out > to first, this way. Credit goes to the skipper who has a lifetime of > racing experience, and knows his boat, and keeps his boat very clean. A > PHRF rating is based upon a boat having a clean bottom, an experienced > crew, and recent (within two years) racing sails. But racing sails for a > Hunter 30 would cost more than the boat is worth. That's why winning can > get so damn expensive. > > If you want "line honors" or just stay with the leaders, you need to check > your competition and buy a comparable boat with same or lower PHRF rating. > It's a simple matter to check the local racing results and find out the > ratings of the competition. > > With great speed comes great responsibility: > Our boat's rating of "99" has me leading where I race because our rating > is the lowest. I didn't plan that. I fell in love with the design and > bought it without knowing anything about racing. We lead because the > majority of other boats rate 140 to 174. One thing I hadn't planned on > when I started racing, was the extra work for us, finding the marks when > they are a mile away and hard to see, judging the laylines correctly, > adjusting for wind shifts. The fleet can relax more and sail for speed, > and watch the leaders for shifts laylines and never miss a mark. We > probably wouldn't be competitive against fleets in Annapolis or Newport > where owners spend more on sails and gear, crews are more experienced and > racing is in the blood. > > BTW, PHRF ratings list for Chesepeake Bay: > a customized C&C 110 rating 75, while the new J-111 has a PHRF of 45. > > Moral: Know your competition. > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Atlantic City, NJ > ------------------------------ > *From: *"dwight veinot" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Friday, April 5, 2013 10:09:56 AM > *Subject: *Re: Stus-List C&C 41 vs. ? in BVI > > Chuck > > > > You make some very good points about a fast boat leading the fleet around > the marks and winning races. Also worth mentioning that within a given > PHRF range it is the boats that do best for their ratings that mostly win > all other things as you describe being equal boat for boat. And then after > you prove your boat is faster than her rating predicts by winning on a > regular basis the handicap committee will adjust the rating number…so if > you’re really keen and want to win and be at the front of the fleet you > need what I think you call a fast boat but also a boat that has a > favourable rating…sometimes even a favourable provisional rating for boats > new to say the New England PHRF system and some of those designs are built > for speed and equipped accordingly…our older C&C’s and I mean your 34R too > just aren’t fast enough to lead the newer designs around the course but we > hope the rating system allows for fair competition. > > > > Dwight Veinot > > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected] > >
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