Sebastian,
We had a North 3DL Marathon genoa on our Catalina 27 and liked it a lot. I
think that would fall in category 3 below. We sailed it for 4 seasons before
selling the boat and it still looked nearly new. We are casual racers as well
as occasional cruisers. Now that we have upgraded to a C&C 30-2, I assume a
sister ship to yours, we are considering purchasing another one or something
similar.
Our debate is how big. We get a fair number of light air races on Friday
nights in Milwaukee, so my temptation is to go 150. Many of our races are jib
and main only, which puts us at a disadvantage on the downwinds with anything
less. However, I don't care for the way our deck attached Tape Drive 150
flies, since it tends to wind up against the chainplates on the upwind. I am
thinking a roller furling sail would be more successful as it is higher. After
winning our division on the Catalina 2 seasons ago, we took a big step back
this year, and I was never happy with the shape of the genoa, among other
things.
I would be curious to know your logic in going with a 135, if you would be
willing to share that. We love our 30-2, but are definitely still figuring her
out!
Jim Reinardy
1988 C&C 30 Mk II "Firewater"
Milwaukee, WI
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On Oct 17, 2012, at 8:00 AM, Sébastien Lemieux <s.lemi...@umontreal.ca> wrote:
> Hello Bev,
>
> I am currently going through the same process for my furling genoa. I've
> obtained quotes and been discussing with quite a few lofts (some local, some
> less locals). I've come to the c onclusion that a 135% would be a good size
> to go with (we have a 100% jib and an asym spi). We also do essentially
> weekend cruising with quite a few day sails, no racing on the horizon. Our
> boat is a C&C 30-mk2 of 1987.
>
> I have been considering three sail types and I haven't finalized my decision
> yet, so I'll throw in the arguments I have for each:
>
> 1) A classic cross-cut dacron sail. The least expensive option at each loft.
> Prices can vary from loft to loft but if more than 5% variation, then there
> are differences in the construction. Some lofts would suggest using rather
> thin 5 oz. cloths, most preferred to go with 7-7.3 oz since we would favor
> using the spi when going with the wind and a heavier cloth would be more
> durable and more forgiving for the beginners we are (3 years with the boat so
> far, first boat). Some lofts offer different levels of "firmness" of the
> cloth, usually with a price premium (around 10% extra) and I've come to the
> conclusion that this upgrade makes sense (the sail should hold better shape
> for longer in higher winds).
>
> 2) A tri-radial design using fill-oriented dacron (UK Halsey warp drive or
> North Radian). From the quotes we have, price is about 30% more than for the
> cross cut dacron. The sail should hold its shape much better and should be
> as (if not more) durable than the classic cross-cut. The sails for which we
> received quotes where all made in Asia. North said that any repairs or
> adjustments need to be done at their headquarter in Connecticut.
>
> 3) A cross-cut sail using cruising oriented laminates. Here the cloth is a
> laminate that includes fibers supporting the loads in directions that are
> aligned with tensions applied on a sail (see pdf brochure from Polyant:
> http://www.dimension-polyant.com/en/pdf/DP_Flex_Polyester_Cruise_E.pdf ). It
> is called a cruising laminate because it is protected on both side by a
> weaved taffeta that protects the laminate from chafe. This allows the sail
> to be made using the less labor intensive cross cut construction. I have a
> quote from Haarstick (Rochester, NY) that comes up to about 25% more than the
> classic dacron cross-cut. The sail should hold much better shape and it
> seems that with each new generation of laminates designed for cruising, the
> durability increases.
>
> The level of discussion I had with each sailmaker varies a lot (both in
> verbosity and quality). The most informative discussions I've had has been
> with Haarstick ( http://www.haarsticksailmakers.com ) where Doug Burtner has
> provided a lot of great info, was prompt to reply and everything he wrote I
> could confirm with further research. Two local lofts I contacted were quite
> disappointing (Evolution sails never sent back a quote, North rep. was very
> verbose [on the phone] but not so informative and I've found that they don't
> have any loft and would do all repairs and modifications in Connecticut).
> Among the various sailmakers I've contacted, two have confirmed that the sail
> cut and construction would not be sent off shore: Haarstick (Rochester, NY)
> and Port Townsend sails (near Seattle, WA). The sails from PT sails seem to
> be fantastic classic cruising sails but they are extremely expensive (about
> 2x the price of a classic dacron sail from other sailmakers). Although I
> haven't investigated them much because of budget constraints, it seems like
> the type of sails I'd consider if I was to leave for a multi-year cruise.
>
> In my case, although I've been putting emphasize on durability, I've realized
> that we put fairly little hours of use on our sails per year (short sailing
> season, family+work schedule, etc.). I'm currently leaning toward going with
> the cruising laminate cross-cut proposed by Haarstick. The fact that the
> high-tech fabric allows a less labor intensive construction (cross-cut) means
> less incentive to export labor offshore, I put some "morale" value into that!
>
> For the local lofts, they proposed to come to our boat and take measurements.
> In all other case, they propose to send all necessary info so I can take the
> measurements myself. Some mentioned that I should complement the
> measurements with large amounts of digital photos to fully document the rig
> and make sure that there is no misunderstanding of which measures are which.
> I'm fairly confident that this is the way to go.
>
> Feel free to contact me off the list if you would like to discuss the
> specific details of the quotes I've received, I'd be happy to share them if
> it can help you with your decision!
>
> Sébastien Lemieux
> Merlot X - C&C 30 mk2 1987
> Mooney Bay - Lake Champlain
>
> On Oct 11, 2012, at 12:53, broo...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hello listers,
>> Bob Morgan and I have been mostly lurking on the list for the last few
>> months, although we have had a few postings. We bought a C&C 37 (Bob's 5th
>> C&C) one year ago and just discovered the list a few months ago. After
>> following all the conversations for the last few months we now want to take
>> advantage of all the knowledge that is out there. We had thought maybe we
>> could get away with having our sails inspected and some repairs done this
>> winter but now that we have taken them down and had a closer look we
>> realized that was overly optimistic. I would like to ask what
>> recommendations you can make for new sail purchases. We would appreciate
>> your thoughts about everything - sailmakers, type of fabric, battens,
>> measuring. We are currently weekend cruisers with no thoughts of racing.
>> At this point we are planning on a new main and a furling genoa - 130%. What
>> sailmakers do you recommend? What are the important questions to ask the
>> sailmakers? What are your preferences for main sail reefing? (Not mast or
>> boom furling.)I think we currently have one line slab reefing. Are there
>> standard measurements for a C&C 37? Do we really need to be measured. Is
>> this a subject that has been covered recently? If so, is there a way I can
>> find it in the archives?
>> Thanks everyone.
>> By the way, I still have pictures from the Mystic Rendevous that I would
>> like to post. I just haven't had time to figure out how to get them on Photo
>> Bucket or Picasa or ?. It's a bummer when your working life interferes with
>> your sailing life. And you are too old to remember how you posted them the
>> last time.
>> Bev Genader
>> Quicksea - C&C 37 - Little Sodus Bay Lake Ontario.
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