Actually, you're involvement has been very useful, because it sort of 
demonstrates
my main concerns. Choice of law clauses are complicated and no one is really 
very sure
what they mean. It's rather like a "non-commercial" clause that you often seen 
in creative commons
material.

It is my main problem with this language in EPL. I wish Clojure used a clearer 
licence; it's one
area, for example, where Scala is far simpler. But we are where we are, and I 
guess another
licence discussion on this mailing list is not going to change that.

Phil


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From: clojure@googlegroups.com [clojure@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Gregg 
Reynolds [d...@mobileink.com]
Sent: 30 May 2014 17:13
To: clojure@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: help with the lawyers?

On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Phillip Lord 
<phillip.l...@newcastle.ac.uk<mailto:phillip.l...@newcastle.ac.uk>> wrote:
Gregg Reynolds <d...@mobileink.com<mailto:d...@mobileink.com>> writes:

>> Are you saying the corrupt judges of the corrupt legal system will act
>> differently just because you have chosen a license with a choice of law
>> clause that's referring to the law in effect at other side of the planet?
>>
>
> Oh good grief don't be ridiculous.  I'm saying pick the jurisdiction you
> think most likely to deliver lawful governance.  I don't care which side of
> the planet or which planet.

No, he is correct. You pick a jurisdiction by being in it.

I clearly did not have enough coffee this morning.  Choice of law != choice of 
venue.  But I suspect the point holds, which is just that there are tradeoffs 
involved - omitting a choice of law clause just gives you a different set of 
potential headaches.  I think I'll stop now.  heh.

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