Pedestal-app and pedestal-service seem like they have a lot of solid design behind them and there's quite a few bright people that have put time into development and documentation. I don't doubt Cognitect's dedication to the project or their ability to derive productivity from it.
I program in clojure on a part-time basis and when I first learned about pedestal (specifically pedestal-app) it was very promising. I wanted to see if the next website I made (using clojurescript in the browser and clojure on the server) would be a good match for pedestal and I've spent the past couple months reading (and re-reading ... and re-reading ...) the available pedestal-app documentation, pedestal sample apps and especially the app-tutorial. After many hours I've decided to move away from pedestal-app, at least for the time being. Earlier I had done some proof-of-concept UI stuff with C2 (think moving an array of images a la google maps) which went pretty well. It was my first time learning and using clojurescript and C2; cljsbuild was a delight. I decided the next step was to try to take what I had and translate that into pedestal-app. The message oriented communication between different parts of the app, the ability to build client-server communication without a server, the ability to step through recordings of app interactions for testing, shared clojure / clojurescript code, etc. were all very appealing. Especially compared to plain javascript in a browser, there's the ability to use clojurescript (a win), the ability to avoid callback mess (which can also be avoided through FRP stuff like javelin), and a message oriented architecture (which seems superior to FRP?) which all made pedestal very compelling. Each time I worked with pedestal-app I would make some progress but progress was slow. I was wading through a swamp of maybe strange convention and overcomplication. app-tutorial was at times illuminating and cryptic; each read through would teach me something that I thought could have been, perhaps, better explained than it was. I wanted to re-write the whole of app-tutorial and offer it up as supplemental documentation but I wanted to work on my website more. Another aspect to my story is that I don't know of anyone else that uses any of this stuff so outlets for questions are limited to mailings lists and IRC and I try to keep myself from asking bad or 'obvious' questions to that helpful crowd ; ) I've since moved on to looking at using a collection of libraries like hiccup/domina/dommy/whatever for DOM stuff (I don't care - they would all work for my needs) and - *crucially* - using core.async as the glue that will facilitate the interactions between all the pieces of the UI stuff. I have renewed excitement for the project that I'm working on because I'm no longer stuck in slow motion. Again, I only essentially have "hobby time" to work on this but in one week of learning core.async, with special thanks to David Nolen's tutorials and example code, I know how to proceed. I'll have to write some additional stuff that pedestal-app would have provided out of the gate but it's nothing daunting. And it's exciting. Pedestal-app was too cumbersome for me, overly complicated and/or not the kind of documentation I wanted but there's still a lot of great ideas behind it. I'm interested to see what pedestal-app's rate of adoption and new developments will be, too, and it might be something I would return to in the future. On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Andreas Liljeqvist <bon...@gmail.com> wrote: > Will there by any presentation on Pedestal, or just announcements? > > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:38 AM, Ryan Neufeld <r...@thinkrelevance.com>wrote: > >> Speaking as a core Pedestal team member and engineer at Cognitect I can >> say we are *very* serious about continuing to grow and support Pedestal. >> It may be quiet, but we're using the entirety of Pedestal with a number of >> client and are fervently preparing a number of new features and >> improvements we plan to announce at the Conj next week. Further, we've even >> begun selling commercial support that includes Pedestal[1]. >> >> ClojureScript One was a huge influence on pedestal-app, but you're >> completely right that we've abandoned it and should probably wind things >> down there. >> >> Are there any other questions I can field while I'm here? >> >> -Ryan >> >> [1]: http://cognitect.com/Cognitect-Support-Services.pdf >> >> >> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 5:30:59 PM UTC-5, Marko Kocić wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'd like to hear opinions about Pedestal from the people that have been >>> playing more with it. Right now I started looking at it, and like some of >>> the things, but not sure should I invest more time learning it. While I do >>> like some concepts, I'm not sure is it going to became abandonware like >>> Clojurescript One (does anyone reemembers it anymore). >>> >>> So far, after initial splash, I haven't seen large community interest in >>> it. The number of aproachable getting started guides and hands on tutorials >>> is missing. That might change over time, but I'm afraid that next year this >>> time we'll get another Clojurescript one page application framework not >>> much related with Pedestal. 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