Guess you have programmed before. Besides which, if I am teaching any significant number of students, I will get the sys admins to do the installation; otherwise, you the first two weeks, you spend running around fixing peoples environment.
This kind of nonsense is soul-destroying for new programmers; it's depressing and saps their desire to learn. Old programmers know the tricks to get through this quickly (students never believe me when I tell them that they will still be writing hello world in 10 years time); and besides, most old programmers sold their souls years ago. All aside from the confusion that of "to start Clojure, type lein". Does that make any sense? Phil Nando Breiter <na...@aria-media.com> writes: > I'm in the process of trying to Clojure, and the fact that you need to > install leiningen (I think ...) isn't a problem. All I need is clear, > simple to follow instructions, and an explanation how all this plumbing > works, and what its advantages are. I find installation instructions rather > easily. Clear explanations about how the dependency plumbing works seem to > be a bit lacking up front. > > > > Aria Media Sagl > Via Rompada 40 > 6987 Caslano > Switzerland > > +41 (0)91 600 9601 > +41 (0)76 303 4477 cell > skype: ariamedia > > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Phillip Lord > <phillip.l...@newcastle.ac.uk>wrote: > >> Lee Spector <lspec...@hampshire.edu> writes: >> > I teach Clojure, to beginning programmers among others. >> > >> > IMHO you really have to specify your audience(s) before any advice about >> how >> > best to teach Clojure (or programming in general) will make much sense. >> >> I'd absolutely agree with this. If you are teaching brand new >> programmers, then you really don't want to teach clojure at all; you >> want to teach programming, with the language being somewhat of a detail. >> >> You also need to know *why* you are teaching them. I teach differently >> if I am teaching new programmers hoping to gain a general understanding >> of computer science, than new programmers who have an immediate >> practical need. >> >> >> > Also IMHO (just trying to deflect some flames here) the Clojure >> > ecosystem currently lacks the ideal environment for this. >> >> Tend to agree with this also. As nice as leiningen is, Clojure seems to >> inherit from Java bulky projects. Compare these two hello worlds: >> >> (println "hello world") >> >> to >> >> #!/usr/bin/python >> print( "hello world" ) >> >> Both equivalently simple, up and till the point you actually try to run >> them. The best I came up with is... >> >> java -jar ~/.m2/repository/org/clojure/clojure/1.5.1/clojure-1.5.1.jar >> hello_world.clj >> >> which, of course, depends on me having installed leiningen and used it. >> >> >> > So this may be totally wrong for many of your purposes, but FWIW: >> > https://github.com/lspector/clojinc >> >> >> That's a nice idea. >> >> Phil >> >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- -- Phillip Lord, Phone: +44 (0) 191 222 7827 Lecturer in Bioinformatics, Email: phillip.l...@newcastle.ac.uk School of Computing Science, http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/phillip.lord Room 914 Claremont Tower, skype: russet_apples Newcastle University, twitter: phillord NE1 7RU -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
