I'm in the process of trying to Clojure, and the fact that you need to install leiningen (I think ...) isn't a problem. All I need is clear, simple to follow instructions, and an explanation how all this plumbing works, and what its advantages are. I find installation instructions rather easily. Clear explanations about how the dependency plumbing works seem to be a bit lacking up front.
Aria Media Sagl Via Rompada 40 6987 Caslano Switzerland +41 (0)91 600 9601 +41 (0)76 303 4477 cell skype: ariamedia On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Phillip Lord <phillip.l...@newcastle.ac.uk>wrote: > Lee Spector <lspec...@hampshire.edu> writes: > > I teach Clojure, to beginning programmers among others. > > > > IMHO you really have to specify your audience(s) before any advice about > how > > best to teach Clojure (or programming in general) will make much sense. > > I'd absolutely agree with this. If you are teaching brand new > programmers, then you really don't want to teach clojure at all; you > want to teach programming, with the language being somewhat of a detail. > > You also need to know *why* you are teaching them. I teach differently > if I am teaching new programmers hoping to gain a general understanding > of computer science, than new programmers who have an immediate > practical need. > > > > Also IMHO (just trying to deflect some flames here) the Clojure > > ecosystem currently lacks the ideal environment for this. > > Tend to agree with this also. As nice as leiningen is, Clojure seems to > inherit from Java bulky projects. Compare these two hello worlds: > > (println "hello world") > > to > > #!/usr/bin/python > print( "hello world" ) > > Both equivalently simple, up and till the point you actually try to run > them. The best I came up with is... > > java -jar ~/.m2/repository/org/clojure/clojure/1.5.1/clojure-1.5.1.jar > hello_world.clj > > which, of course, depends on me having installed leiningen and used it. > > > > So this may be totally wrong for many of your purposes, but FWIW: > > https://github.com/lspector/clojinc > > > That's a nice idea. > > Phil > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
