If our votes count for anything, then I'd like to add +1 for getting rid of :use, and strongly discouraging :refer :all.
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Alex Baranosky < alexander.barano...@gmail.com> wrote: > +1 for scary compiler deprecation warning for 1.6.0, then removing :use in > the 1.7.0 release. > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Softaddicts > <lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca>wrote: > >> I disagree, when I use tracing fns and other useful REPL tools, >> I like to have them included without having to prefix them with an alias. >> >> It's not a hack it's a feature and you are free to use it or not. >> If code writers do not care about code readers it's a choice, maybe bad >> but >> that decision is not yours to take. It's theirs in their own context. >> >> Now this thread has slowly shifted to "can we streamline how we express >> this >> feature" to "lets forbid this feature to be used". If ends up creating >> such >> "policies" enforced by the language, it's the wrong route. >> >> My answer to such proposals is a definite "no". This a red line to me >> that should >> not be crossed. >> >> Luc P. >> >> >> > > I hate it mainly in blogs, where they explain some new API. They :use >> > like 3 namespaces and you have to guess which fn is from which ns :) >> > >> > Agree. >> > Code is read much more often than it is written, so omitting a few >> > character is not effective time-saving. >> > I also don't like :refer :all. >> > I think it should be considered hack rather than official feature. >> > >> > On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:17:02 AM UTC+9, Jozef Wagner wrote: >> > > >> > > +1, :use is IMO an antipattern. >> > > >> > > I hate it mainly in blogs, where they explain some new API. They :use >> like >> > > 3 namespaces and you have to guess which fn is from which ns :) >> > > >> > > JW >> > > >> > > On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:50:50 PM UTC+2, Greg Slepak wrote: >> > >> >> > >> I think I read somewhere that :use is no longer encouraged, but I >> could >> > >> be mistaken. >> > >> >> > >> From what I've read, it seems like most people agree that Clojure >> has too >> > >> many ways of including/importing/referencing/requiring/using things: >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> http://blog.8thlight.com/colin-jones/2010/12/05/clojure-libs-and-namespaces-require-use-import-and-ns.html >> > >> >> > >> The above gives a very nice explanation of all the various >> difference, >> > >> but it also acknowledges their complexity. >> > >> >> > >> Since :use uses :require, and since :require can do everything that >> :use >> > >> can, can we simplify Clojure programming a bit for newcomers by >> deprecating >> > >> the use of :use? The situation in ClojureScript is even worse >> because it >> > >> adds :require-macros on top of all the other ways of including files. >> > >> >> > >> Ideally, it would be awesome if there was just a single directive for >> > >> everything, but perhaps there's some complicated low-level reason why >> > >> that's not possible. :-\ >> > >> >> > >> Thoughts? >> > >> >> > >> Thanks, >> > >> Greg >> > >> >> > >> P.S. 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