vemv, here is a file describing my Clojure install experience: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ln2ek5f5n47qnl1/clojureinstall.odp
How should I continue? And where would a beginner find that information? Hopefully this is taken in good humor, this is meant as an illustration from a beginners' point of view, because undoubtedly the stupidity of a beginner (i.e. me) is greater than any expert can imagine. Keep in mind that once you know how to do something, doing it is easy. Driving to work is easy, but if you are in a new city then driving from point A to point B is hard if you don't know the way. The problem is the multitude of ways you can go wrong. The ideal experience would be a big "download Clojure starter kit" right on the clojure.org homepage, that would install leiningen, and an IDE with leiningen integration, and display a quick guide how to set up a project and run it. Jules On Friday, February 15, 2013 12:34:26 AM UTC+1, vemv wrote: > > If this does not work for you, you can help everyone by opening an issue > at the Leiningen bug tracker: > > Make sure java and curl are correctly installed > Run the corresponding (unix or Windows) lein install script > Now you should be able to run lein repl, lein new, etc > > On Friday, February 15, 2013 12:26:15 AM UTC+1, Jules wrote: >> >> Sure, but you have assumed that you have a perfectly working clojure >> environment set up. *That* is the hard part. >> >> On Friday, February 15, 2013 12:19:34 AM UTC+1, vemv wrote: >>> >>> I never tried out core.logic. This is how I just got it "installed" in >>> less than a minute. Really no magic here: >>> >>> lein new foo; cd foo >>> # google "core.logic", grab the dependencies vector >>> ([org.clojure/core.logic >>> "0.7.5"]), attach it to your project.clj >>> lein repl >>> >>> (use 'clojure.core.logic)(run* [q] >>> (== q true)) >>> >>> >>> Same principle for practically every single Clojure lib. >>> >>> On Friday, February 15, 2013 12:08:18 AM UTC+1, Jules wrote: >>>> >>>> You are certainly not alone. Learning the language and concepts is very >>>> easy for me, but the sysadmin stuff to get set up is so much harder. >>>> Believe it or not, I had much more trouble with installing core.logic than >>>> understanding it. It doesn't end either, you bump into more problems once >>>> you try to do something interesting. Just try e.g. to call the LLVM C api >>>> from Clojure, I have not succeeded to this day (was trying to implement a >>>> LLVM backend for Clojurescript). You have the same problem with many open >>>> source projects, they are simply not focused on user friendliness, it's >>>> certainly not a Clojure specific problem. If you are on Windows the >>>> problems are 10x worse. Compare this with e.g. Visual Studio. You install >>>> it, and everything just works. Package manager, calling C functions, >>>> powerful GUI libraries, IDE with debugger, syntax highlighting, >>>> autocomplete, etc. From the first minute on you are programming rather >>>> than >>>> sysadmining. I wish we had the same experience for Clojure. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:42:57 PM UTC+1, BJG145 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Having studied Lisp decades ago I like the look of Clojure a lot. But >>>>> as a complete newbie when it comes to modern software development, I'm >>>>> exasperated by what strikes me as a very difficult and primitive set of >>>>> tools to get started. I keep seeing "Leinigen, Leinigen", and the >>>>> Leinigen >>>>> homepage boasts that "Leinigen offers the easiest way to get started with >>>>> Clojure", but this simply isn't true. The easiest way to get started with >>>>> Clojure that I've come across so far is IntelliJ IDEA. If I hadn't found >>>>> that I'd probably have given up by now. >>>>> >>>>> What got me back into programming recently was a Lua-based development >>>>> environment for Android called Gideros. Lua seems popular for developing >>>>> apps for some reason. (Cf Corona, Moia, Unity). It seems like quite a >>>>> neat >>>>> language, though I'd like to use something more Lisp-like. Maybe the >>>>> tools >>>>> are just too difficult for me at the moment, though I'll persevere for a >>>>> bit. I'd like to achieve some simple graphics on an Android device at >>>>> least. I've come across some tutorials for CLojure and jMonkey and I'm >>>>> wondering to dive into that, though I'm still unsure whether OpenGL is >>>>> the >>>>> way to go for simple 2D stuff... >>>>> >>>> -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
