Hi BJG145, I absolutely see where you're coming from. And in fairness, it did take a me a long and arduous time to get a really proficient development environment. I happen to really like expressive power. So when I came from a Java / OO development paradigm, it didn't bother me that I had to learn the innards of Clojure, it's toolset, and general world view. The fact that it provides a geometrically more powerful platform, meant I was willing to do the hard work to get started, to get those benefits.
But I actually do see and agree with your point. Justifying that effort is hard given your background, spare time, etc. But I think this thread has given you a lot of good places that'll help you get started. *books & resources: * - 4clojure.com *tools: * - clooj - tryclj.com HTH Tim On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:34 PM, vemv <v...@vemv.net> wrote: > If this does not work for you, you can help everyone by opening an issue > at the Leiningen bug tracker: > > Make sure java and curl are correctly installed > Run the corresponding (unix or Windows) lein install script > Now you should be able to run lein repl, lein new, etc > > > On Friday, February 15, 2013 12:26:15 AM UTC+1, Jules wrote: >> >> Sure, but you have assumed that you have a perfectly working clojure >> environment set up. *That* is the hard part. >> >> On Friday, February 15, 2013 12:19:34 AM UTC+1, vemv wrote: >>> >>> I never tried out core.logic. This is how I just got it "installed" in >>> less than a minute. Really no magic here: >>> >>> lein new foo; cd foo >>> # google "core.logic", grab the dependencies vector ([org.clojure/core.logic >>> "0.7.5"]), attach it to your project.clj >>> lein repl >>> >>> (use 'clojure.core.logic)(run* [q] >>> (== q true)) >>> >>> >>> Same principle for practically every single Clojure lib. >>> >>> On Friday, February 15, 2013 12:08:18 AM UTC+1, Jules wrote: >>>> >>>> You are certainly not alone. Learning the language and concepts is very >>>> easy for me, but the sysadmin stuff to get set up is so much harder. >>>> Believe it or not, I had much more trouble with installing core.logic than >>>> understanding it. It doesn't end either, you bump into more problems once >>>> you try to do something interesting. Just try e.g. to call the LLVM C api >>>> from Clojure, I have not succeeded to this day (was trying to implement a >>>> LLVM backend for Clojurescript). You have the same problem with many open >>>> source projects, they are simply not focused on user friendliness, it's >>>> certainly not a Clojure specific problem. If you are on Windows the >>>> problems are 10x worse. Compare this with e.g. Visual Studio. You install >>>> it, and everything just works. Package manager, calling C functions, >>>> powerful GUI libraries, IDE with debugger, syntax highlighting, >>>> autocomplete, etc. From the first minute on you are programming rather than >>>> sysadmining. I wish we had the same experience for Clojure. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:42:57 PM UTC+1, BJG145 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Having studied Lisp decades ago I like the look of Clojure a lot. But >>>>> as a complete newbie when it comes to modern software development, I'm >>>>> exasperated by what strikes me as a very difficult and primitive set of >>>>> tools to get started. I keep seeing "Leinigen, Leinigen", and the Leinigen >>>>> homepage boasts that "Leinigen offers the easiest way to get started with >>>>> Clojure", but this simply isn't true. The easiest way to get started with >>>>> Clojure that I've come across so far is IntelliJ IDEA. If I hadn't found >>>>> that I'd probably have given up by now. >>>>> >>>>> What got me back into programming recently was a Lua-based development >>>>> environment for Android called Gideros. Lua seems popular for developing >>>>> apps for some reason. (Cf Corona, Moia, Unity). It seems like quite a neat >>>>> language, though I'd like to use something more Lisp-like. Maybe the tools >>>>> are just too difficult for me at the moment, though I'll persevere for a >>>>> bit. I'd like to achieve some simple graphics on an Android device at >>>>> least. I've come across some tutorials for CLojure and jMonkey and I'm >>>>> wondering to dive into that, though I'm still unsure whether OpenGL is the >>>>> way to go for simple 2D stuff... >>>>> >>>> -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
