James, If I've misread and/or mischaracterized your intentions, I do apologize for that. I was, and still am, unsure as to your desired outcome from this post.
If the intent was for the core team to rewrite ClojureScript to target jQuery instead of GClosure, we both know that was not going to happen. If the intent was to garner support for a fork of ClojureScript that targets jQuery, the path that generally offers the best chance of success is to get a working base or a proof of concept written by yourself, then use that to start recruiting others to help. If the intent was to be able to use jQuery with ClojureScript, you can already do that. This may help get you started: https://gist.github.com/1096382 If the issue was that you have been trying to write something in ClojureScript, but have been running into issues, or feel there is a better way to do it that you may be missing, post the code you have and what your desired outcome is, and I guarantee someone can offer advice. There are truly some geniuses in this list, and many extremely helpful people in general. In any case, I again apologize for any misunderstanding on my part, and sincerely hope you give Clojure and ClojureScript a fair try. - Mark On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:11 PM, James Keats <james.w.ke...@gmail.com>wrote: > > Perhaps I should've just looked for a blog about knitting or cupcakes > and posted what I did here about clojure/clojurescript in it. That way > you fine folks won't get to read it, eventhough no one here is obliged > in any way to read my posts or any in this thread. Yeah, definitely, > that way I might've made sure that I didn't "incite" any "controversy" > or "ruffle" any "feathers"; god forbid that should ever be done here. > I ask, what is it that I did other than "seriously inquire about the > rationale"?! I don't see me making any jokes and I don't see me doing > anything other than ""seriously inquire about the rationale". I'm > sorry, but if you fine folks choose to blind and deafen yourself to my > "seriuos inquiry about the rationale" and call me a "troll" for it, > then there's a big wide merciless world out there that'll find it > absolutely ridiculous for Rich Hickey to rail against classes and > inheritance on and on and then favor a library and post a link titled > "inheritance" that argues for hoisting a pseudoclassical version of it > upon a language that tries to be functional as proof that it is > advantageous. Perhaps clojure itself should have classes and > inheritance and Rich should instead of apologizing for having once > taught it to people apologize for teaching them clojure. > > Fine, I am done with this (-> back to scala); I have better things to > do than being called a "troll". "ignore" me all you want, if that's > how you want it then it the world out there will "ignore" you. > > (ps. what's quotes below mischaracterizes what my psots) > > On Jul 25, 1:28 pm, Mark Rathwell <mark.rathw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Colin, > > > > I don't think anyone responding was doing so with the mindset of "my way > or > > the highway" and "we must defend the great leader's achievements". > Speaking > > for myself, I responded to an argument that did not make sense, that > > argument being basically: "Crockford says javascript can be written a > > certain way, jQuery generally follows this pattern and it is popular, > Google > > Closure does not follow this pattern in some ways and is not as popular, > > therefore it should not be used for ClojureScript". > > > > Nobody is shooting down "I love it" type posts because they do come off > as > > intentionally inflammatory. The titles of these posts seem aimed to > incite > > controversy and ruffle feathers (as does the content), rather than > seriously > > inquire about the rationale. And the arguments are generally recaps of > > articles that agree with the author, rather than actual pain points hit > when > > trying to create something with Clojure or ClojureScript. The responses > > throwing "troll" around are the attempt of the community to point out > that > > this list's main purpose is to help people, not for inflammatory content > > that belongs in blog posts. > > > > As for responding with "OK, this guy clearly doesn't get it - how can we > > improve our communication", this goes back to the intent of the author. > I > > don't think the intent was to "get" anything, I think the intent was to > > incite. The best response to this is to ignore it, and that is what I > > should have done, but it is easier to say than to do. > > > > - Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Colin Yates <colin.ya...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Absolutely nothing to add to the argument as such except to say that I > am > > > quite surprised at the level of resistance to James' thread. I can see > the > > > argument if this was the 'dev' mailing list. > > > > > I have been reading this mailing list for a long while now (even if I > > > haven't contributed much to it) but if this had been the first post I > had > > > read I would have a very negative opinion of the *clojure community*. > It > > > comes off as sounding like "if you don't like what we do, go away - it > is > > > our way or the highway", which would be a terrible shame as I don't > *think* > > > that is the case? If I wanted that atmosphere there are plenty of > other > > > places to go. > > > > > Sure, I get that James' email didn't really provide any points of > > > discussion, it was more a moan (sorry James ;)), but so what - I don't > see > > > anybody shooting down "ClojureScript - I love it" type posts. And > maybe a > > > better response would be asking "OK, this guy clearly doesn't get it - > how > > > can we improve our communication"? > > > > > Rich - we are *all* grateful and I expect I am not alone in being > amazed at > > > the technical marvel you have pulled out of the hat. But to be honest > I > > > think you need a thicker skin. Getting your strokes from the mailing > list > > > is dangerous at best. To be disheartened by one negative post in the > midst > > > of positive votes is a bit worrying. > > > > > If this mailing list is for the community to discuss Clojure and ask > > > Clojurians for help then these responses were inappropriate. If this > > > mailing list is to "big up" Clojure then fine - but make that explicit. > > > > > Col (surprisingly disappointed and feels strongly enough to send this > at > > > the risk of being called a troll himself!) > > > > > P.S. Strongly opinionated communities that shoots down criticisms of > "the > > > great leaders' achievements" is unfortunately not breaking new ground - > so > > > stop this :) and move onto the next ground breaking tool! > > > > > On 25 July 2011 08:38, Mark Derricutt <m...@talios.com> wrote: > > > > >> Oracle announced/talked about Nashorn at the recent JVM Languages > summit, > > >> this is an Invoke Dynamic based Javascript runtime which is (aiming) > for > > >> inclusion in JDK8. > > > > >> I do so hope however that someone manages to pull that out for a "lets > run > > >> this NOW on Java 7" as that would be a great improvement over rhino. > > > > >> On 25/07/2011, at 3:54 AM, Stuart Halloway wrote: > > > > >> Rhino is an implementation detail of the development platform. 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