Absolutely nothing to add to the argument as such except to say that I am
quite surprised at the level of resistance to James' thread.  I can see the
argument if this was the 'dev' mailing list.

I have been reading this mailing list for a long while now (even if I
haven't contributed much to it) but if this had been the first post I had
read I would have a very negative opinion of the *clojure community*.  It
comes off as sounding like "if you don't like what we do, go away - it is
our way or the highway", which would be a terrible shame as I don't *think*
that is the case?  If I wanted that atmosphere there are plenty of other
places to go.

Sure, I get that James' email didn't really provide any points of
discussion, it was more a moan (sorry James ;)), but so what - I don't see
anybody shooting down "ClojureScript - I love it" type posts.  And maybe a
better response would be asking "OK, this guy clearly doesn't get it - how
can we improve our communication"?

Rich - we are *all* grateful and I expect I am not alone in being amazed at
the technical marvel you have pulled out of the hat.  But to be honest I
think you need a thicker skin.  Getting your strokes from the mailing list
is dangerous at best.  To be disheartened by one negative post in the midst
of positive votes is a bit worrying.

If this mailing list is for the community to discuss Clojure and ask
Clojurians for help then these responses were inappropriate.  If this
mailing list is to "big up" Clojure then fine - but make that explicit.

Col (surprisingly disappointed and feels strongly enough to send this at the
risk of being called a troll himself!)

P.S.  Strongly opinionated communities that shoots down criticisms of "the
great leaders' achievements" is unfortunately not breaking new ground - so
stop this :) and move onto the next ground breaking tool!

On 25 July 2011 08:38, Mark Derricutt <m...@talios.com> wrote:

> Oracle announced/talked about Nashorn at the recent JVM Languages summit,
> this is an Invoke Dynamic based Javascript runtime which is (aiming) for
> inclusion in JDK8.
>
> I do so hope however that someone manages to pull that out for a "lets run
> this NOW on Java 7" as that would be a great improvement over rhino.
>
>
> On 25/07/2011, at 3:54 AM, Stuart Halloway wrote:
>
> Rhino is an implementation detail of the development platform. That
> implementation detail could and probably should change.
>
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