Colin, I don't think anyone responding was doing so with the mindset of "my way or the highway" and "we must defend the great leader's achievements". Speaking for myself, I responded to an argument that did not make sense, that argument being basically: "Crockford says javascript can be written a certain way, jQuery generally follows this pattern and it is popular, Google Closure does not follow this pattern in some ways and is not as popular, therefore it should not be used for ClojureScript".
Nobody is shooting down "I love it" type posts because they do come off as intentionally inflammatory. The titles of these posts seem aimed to incite controversy and ruffle feathers (as does the content), rather than seriously inquire about the rationale. And the arguments are generally recaps of articles that agree with the author, rather than actual pain points hit when trying to create something with Clojure or ClojureScript. The responses throwing "troll" around are the attempt of the community to point out that this list's main purpose is to help people, not for inflammatory content that belongs in blog posts. As for responding with "OK, this guy clearly doesn't get it - how can we improve our communication", this goes back to the intent of the author. I don't think the intent was to "get" anything, I think the intent was to incite. The best response to this is to ignore it, and that is what I should have done, but it is easier to say than to do. - Mark On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Colin Yates <colin.ya...@gmail.com> wrote: > Absolutely nothing to add to the argument as such except to say that I am > quite surprised at the level of resistance to James' thread. I can see the > argument if this was the 'dev' mailing list. > > I have been reading this mailing list for a long while now (even if I > haven't contributed much to it) but if this had been the first post I had > read I would have a very negative opinion of the *clojure community*. It > comes off as sounding like "if you don't like what we do, go away - it is > our way or the highway", which would be a terrible shame as I don't *think* > that is the case? If I wanted that atmosphere there are plenty of other > places to go. > > Sure, I get that James' email didn't really provide any points of > discussion, it was more a moan (sorry James ;)), but so what - I don't see > anybody shooting down "ClojureScript - I love it" type posts. And maybe a > better response would be asking "OK, this guy clearly doesn't get it - how > can we improve our communication"? > > Rich - we are *all* grateful and I expect I am not alone in being amazed at > the technical marvel you have pulled out of the hat. But to be honest I > think you need a thicker skin. Getting your strokes from the mailing list > is dangerous at best. To be disheartened by one negative post in the midst > of positive votes is a bit worrying. > > If this mailing list is for the community to discuss Clojure and ask > Clojurians for help then these responses were inappropriate. If this > mailing list is to "big up" Clojure then fine - but make that explicit. > > Col (surprisingly disappointed and feels strongly enough to send this at > the risk of being called a troll himself!) > > P.S. Strongly opinionated communities that shoots down criticisms of "the > great leaders' achievements" is unfortunately not breaking new ground - so > stop this :) and move onto the next ground breaking tool! > > On 25 July 2011 08:38, Mark Derricutt <m...@talios.com> wrote: > >> Oracle announced/talked about Nashorn at the recent JVM Languages summit, >> this is an Invoke Dynamic based Javascript runtime which is (aiming) for >> inclusion in JDK8. >> >> I do so hope however that someone manages to pull that out for a "lets run >> this NOW on Java 7" as that would be a great improvement over rhino. >> >> >> On 25/07/2011, at 3:54 AM, Stuart Halloway wrote: >> >> Rhino is an implementation detail of the development platform. That >> implementation detail could and probably should change. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
