First:
* I respect your opinions. I am glad that you have taken the time to
start exploring ClojureScript
Second:
* Dude, stop trolling. This is the second time you have started a thread
with a baiting subject line and no clear end goal. Your opinions are
yours, and I have no problems with that, however, this offers no
constructive feedback. If you would like to write your own Clojure on
JavaScript, that would be a great way to learn and get exactly what you
want out of it. I encourage you to look at the ClojureScript source
code for ideas while you are doing your implementation.
* If you want to start discussions like this, please do so elsewhere.
If you have something in particular you want to discuss about Clojure or
ClojureScript, then this is the place.
Cheers,
Aaron Bedra
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On 07/24/2011 08:19 AM, James Keats wrote:
Alright, to be honest, I'm disappointed.
First of all, congrats and good job to all involved in putting it out.
On the plus side, it's a good way to use the Google Closure javascript
platform.
On the minus, imho, that's what's wrong with it.
Google Closure is too Java. It's not idiomatic JavaScript. I find it
disappointing that rather than porting from a functional language like
Clojure straight to another functional language like Javascript, the
google closure with its ugly Java-isms is right there obnoxiously in
the middle.
Then, there's the elephant in the room, and that elephant is Jquery. I
believe any targetting-javascript tool that misses out on jquery-first-
and-foremost is missing out on the realities of javascript in 2011.
Jquery is huge in its community and plugins, and it has tons of books
and tutorials. In much the same way that you can have lots of libs on
the JVM, there are lots of plugins for jquery. So much so that the
latest edition of Javascript: the Definitive Guide includes a chapter
on it; quoted:
"Because the jQuery library has become so widely used, web developers
should be fa-
miliar with it: even if you don’t use it in your own code, you are
likely to encounter it
in code written by others."
Then, the Google Closure compiler is a moot point. Everyone by now
already has a copy of jquery from the Google CDN and linking to it in
your code will not download it any further after your first visit to a
website that does so. In any case, it's already small and fast.
Then there's rhino/jvm. I would much rather an in-browser focus.
I'm tempted to "fork" clojurescript and redo it in javascript perhaps
so that seamless interop with jquery would be the main priority.
Discuss?
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