On Jun 25, 12:58 pm, Four of Seventeen <fsevent...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, Java is academic and impractical? Tell that to all the web server
> admins deploying it routinely on their servers!

 The fact that Sun has managed to convince a lot of people that gobs
of xml and multiple competing build systems are a good idea isn't
necessarily relevant to how practical (or perhaps pragmatic is a
better word) the java platform is.

If I went to our CTO and told him that the group I manage was going to
start using Java for our day-to-day practical work, I'd get laughed
out of the room just as surely as I would for suggesting Clojure.

Being able to do the equivalent of

clojure install some.useful.library
clojure -e '(use some.useful.library)(some.useful.library/foo "hello
foo")'

along with a consistent shebang convention would go a long way towards
alleviating pragmatic issues.  Groovy seems to be somewhat better in
that regard for a jvm language (steal whatever they're doing, quick),
but still has classpath hacks like ~/.groovy/lib
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