I agree, Jambi is a better all-round product... but why the Swing
hate? It's fine for what it is. Most of it's drawbacks (horrible L&F,
poor performance) are things of the past, now.

It would definitely be my framework of choice for a quick, one-off app
or an applet.

-Luke

On Feb 16, 10:50 am, Dan <redalas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I know that all Java GUI libraries can be used within the REPL, but it is
> > my understanding that in order to make it self-contained and executable (a
> > jar or a class file), it is necessary to write some Java and call the
> > Clojure code from the java applet or application.  Is this true, or am I
> > doing it wrong?
>
> > I know a lot more about Common Lisp than I know about Java by the way, so I
> > end up having to figure out Java stuff sometimes in order to do certain
> > things in Clojure...
>
>  Java's Swing is terrible and if possible, you should avoid it. If you have
> to do an applet then you might not have a choice but if you can use Java Web
> Start, go with Jambi.
>
> Jambi is a binding for the much cleaner and friendly Qt toolkit. You can see
> it in action (java web start so no installing required) 
> here:http://dist.trolltech.com/developer/download/webstart/index.html
>
> You would also benefit from an awesome interface designer (which is *not* an
> IDE so you can do your GUI in it and code with your favourite editor).
>
> The drawback (beside not being able to do applets) is that there is a
> different jar file you have to bundle for each platform (but they all have
> the same api so it's really just a packaging concern). In the past, there
> would also be a potential licensing problem (either GPL your code or pay up)
> but the next release (next month) will be LGPLed so you can do a proprietary
> app with it if you wish.
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