On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:31:01 +0100, Simon Hobson <li...@thehobsons.co.uk> articulated:
> Jerry wrote: > > > > Still, it would be better still if someone didn't break in and > > > snuff > >> our candles out to force us to switch to electricity ! > > > >At some point a candle will burn out. Simple fact of life. > > OK, so perhaps bad analogy - if it were an oil lamp, I could keep > adding oil ! > > > > What might have been a few minutes to you, is in fact a week or > > > two > >> for me - building a new server, configuring it (the old configs > >> aren't really useful when the software has progressed over the > >> years), tested it fully, and then migrated all the users and their > >> data. That would, of course, be assuming I had the hardware to > >> host a new server on - which I don't. > > > >Nothing personal; however, is this network a simple "home" one or are > >you maintaining a mail server for a [business|group|organization]. > > > >If (1), then this is a great time to acquire those skills and install > >those pesky tools. If (2), then perhaps it is time to call in a > >professional. This job is obviously beyond your capabilities. > > > >Nothing personal; however, this sounds like a text book definition of > >the "Peter > >Principal" (<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle>). If you > >are going to run a mail server and hope to run it proficiently, then > >acquiring the skills to do so are paramount to you. There are many > >individuals on several assorted lists that would be glad to help you > >get started acquiring those skills. > > Yes, that is very personal and I take it as an insult. It's the very > reason OSS has such a bad reputation in some quarters - this apparent > insistence that you are not competent to do anything unless you can > write code. That IS the inference - that if I'm not capable of > compiling my code from scratch then I shouldn't be running a server. BS! I never made a single reference to "compiling" anything. Furthermore, I never said anything about "writing code." You are just reaching for straws and making things up as you go along. If you spent as much time managing your system as you apparently do falsifying statements, you would not be in this predicament. > If that was true, then why should all those people spend all that > effort packaging up software so that incompetent (according you you) > people should be able to install and use it ? In the same vein, then > it's an obvious extension that there is no such thing as a > competently run server using closed source code - after all, the > admin cannot compile the Windows or Exchange or ISS or ... their > server runs. Again, I never reference "compile" in any of my posts to this thread. > So please get off the high horse before you fall and hurt yourself. > Just because I don't build the software from source does not mean I > cannot competently configure and run a service. That is exactly what > I did several years ago for this particular server, and it's been > running very nicely until someone actively pulled the plug on it, in > practical terms, **WITHOUT ANY WARNING**. Again, BS. What would you have liked the ClamAV team to do -- send a representative to you domicile to personally inform you of the modification? Grow up! I use software on several different platforms and I attempt, within reason, to keep myself abreast of any changes in them. You were given a warning six months ago regarding EOL. Your OS is deprecated for over two years. You have done nothing to the latter which has caused this conundrum with the former. However, you continue to blame the ClamAV team for the predicament that you now find yourself in. > I'd love to have enough hardware to run up a new server, with all the > latest software, and migrate all the users etc. Unfortunately, due to > internal politics I won't get that until all the other stuff gets > upgraded. I can't say more, but suffice it to say, there are a lot > more services running on OSS than there were when I started here - > but there has been no new hardware provided to run it - I only get > the hand-me-downs when it won't run the latest tech from a certain > well known closed source vendor. > That's politics for you - wish it wasn't the case, but that's how it > is. I would love to have Bill Gate's money so I could spend my days in idyllic bliss. I don't, nor do I spend my time bitching about it; which would only be counter productive. > Now, I've always thought ClamAV was great - but when shit like this > happens it suddenly gets harder to justify OSS when one of your > vendors does exactly what you accuse the closed source outfits of > doing. I use FreeBSD myself. I am upgrading to take advantage of the latest wifi, drivers, etc available in the new version. I guess I could cry and complain that they _SHOULD_ have back ported those features, or I could just upgrade and avoid the whole tantrum act entirely. You are effectively in the same boat. > I can appreciate why it's been done, I just think it was done very > badly. Your opinion is duly noted. For the record, you do not have to compile ClamAV, etc on every platform. While I have only a glancing knowledge of yours, I could get you started on a FreeBSD one that would not require you to compile common programs like ClamAV, Postfix, Dovcot, or most other commonly used ones. Out of morbid curiosity, what is you fear of 'compiling' anyway? While I prefer to use the distros provided by the OS vendor whenever possible, I realize that, that is not always possible. If you are not going to be running a Microsoft or equivalent system exclusively, it is not a bad skill to acquire. -- Jerry clamav.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. 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