Francesco Peeters wrote:
> Gary L Burnore wrote:
>>> Stuart Rowan wrote:
>>>     
>>>> Alpine and afaicr pine expose this information. Each ML mail has a link
>>>>       
>>> at
>>>     
>>>> the bottom in the mail viewer which gives you a list of all the things
>>>>       
>>> you
>>>     
>>>> can do e.g. unsubscribe.
>>>>
>>>> Stu.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Ian Eiloart wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       
>>>>> --On 18 February 2009 14:26:11 -0800 Dennis Peterson
>>>>>         
>>> <denni...@inetnw.com>
>>>     
>>>>> As long as most MTAs don't expose the List-Unsubscribe: header (none do
>>>>>         
>>> by
>>>     
>>>>> default, as far as I'm aware), it can't be described as "easy to use".
>>>>>         
>>> Some
>>>     
>>>>> MTAs even make it really hard to find the full message headers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>> Thunderbird doesn't by default, but has a plugin that *does*...
>>>     
>> Alpine and Pine are not MTAs.  Thunderbird is not an MTA.
>>
>> Alpine, Pine, Thunderbird, Outlook, Eudora etc are MUAs.
>>
>>   
> 
> You are correct, but given the context, I assumed that that was what 
> Dennis Peterson meant...

We, many of us, are messaging professionals. If any of us are confused or 
unable 
to read our email headers then we have larger problems. The list here works 
pretty much like lists have since the earliest days of list-serve. There should 
be no surprises. If the occasional user doesn't know how it works a gentle 
nudge 
should be adequate. I run a lot of mail lists and I do it all the time.

As professionals we should not require our hands be held and a label put on all 
we touch. This thread is getting a bit silly.

dp
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